When it comes to the real estate market, yes, things may get worse before they get better. And getting better will take time.
Having posted two stories about the housing "bubble" several things have been ringing loud and clear in the comments -- of which there have been plenty. I objected to the term in my original post, Housing Truth from Main Street, because I do not like the reference to the stock market bubble and I felt that the term was too freely used and becoming a cliche. Since then, readers have corrected me by the dozen.
But it seems that it is not just prognosticators of headlines and Wall Street attention-grabbers that have adopted the term but the general public, academics and the broader housing industry. So, if not by fact then certainly by usage and acceptance by the public, I stand corrected. There appears to be a bubble whether I like the term, believe it, or not. Not everywhere, and not to the same degree, but enough to affect the market and get people's passions stirred up and their financial statements out of balance.
Comments my posts received support my notion that there is great variation in the degree of the problem based on geographic location. In a my follow-up story, Housing bubble, debt bubble or same thing? another issue that was reinforced is that there may be a need for housing, but demand is price driven. Personal debt and national debt have reached crisis proportions at many different levels and this is broadly felt by many people and affects how much they can afford.
I summarized this premise while responding to comments in a prior post: "How much trouble we shall soon see. I have stated there is a real need for more housing. This is true, but need and affordability does not always coincide so demand is affected and in turn pricing and current value are affected."
Therefore, despite a perpetual "need" for housing, demand is shrinking and home prices are coming down. High levels of debt and a negative savings rate increase the apprehension among readers that we are in for a long tough market with prices continuing to fall and the number of foreclosures growing to make this housing boom/bust cycle more painful than in the past. Dino, one of my many detractors directed readers to this graph for a reality check.

One thing we see in the chart is that housing costs in real terms (inflation excluded), is significantly out of step with historical norms. So will housing retreat to the norm? Retreat? Yes. But all the way back to the mean? Not necessarily. For one thing, our population has risen 500% over the course of time. I do not believe the price of land, a large component of housing costs, is coming down at the same rate. Commodity prices (also up greatly) may come down, but global demand will remain higher than it has been historically as Asian and eastern European economies expand. Furthermore, acquiring the entitlements and permits to build is absolutely not coming down in price. It is only becoming more expensive.
So where is the bottom? If land, labor, materials and entitlements stay relatively constant at higher levels, than only the mortgage interest rates, energy prices (not likely to be be reduced greatly) and the speculation gap remain to be accounted for. The speculators are being hit in the first wave of price reductions and this will continue until they are wrung out of the system. Next will be the borrowers saddled with Option ARM's who have started to feel the pain. That pain will continue based on interest rate increases.
A few other recent views on housing and the economy:
Richard B. Hoey, chief economist and senior vice president of Mellon Financial Corporation, chief economist and chief investment strategist of The Dreyfus Corp. writes in, "Will a Housing Market Collapse Push the US Into Recession?" he believes it is unlikely that weakness in the housing market will by itself stimulate a recession. He may not have all the feedback one gets at BloggingStocks.com
For a middle of the road view read Waiting for the Market to Tumble on Weakening Housing, Consumer Spending
Sheldon Liber is the CEO of a small private investment company and the vice president for Design and Research of an Architecture & Planning firm.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
9-05-2006 @ 2:41PM
Frank said...
Sheldon, don't you find it facinating how many swoop out of the Ethernet in an attempt to quash any though or dialog that contradicts their favored spin on the doom in our future and the housing "bubble"? It reminds me of other cases of media manipulation or just simply a group of angry people trying to squelch communication. I haven't seen this kind of "feeding frenzy" doom hysteria in a long time.
Yes, interest rates will drop sometime after the first of the year and will give breathing room to the Fed engineered housing slowdown. St. Louis Fed President William Poole said today "The Federal Reserve can be ``patient'' in considering whether to raise interest rates again, even while inflation stands above the comfort level of policy makers. As the economy slows, the Fed will eventually lower rates.
If the doomers can cause a "stampede" to the doors, they would be quite happy as too many of them think they can use such an opportunity to buy cheap real estate; real estate that they missed out on the first time around.
9-05-2006 @ 4:20PM
Sheldon said...
Frank,
Taking any strong position (right or wrong) is going to spark controversy and bring out peoples passions. The comments I receive, as I stated in today's post, are valuable to me and others. Yes, the ones that find no room for discussion and just yell at me are of little value, but sometimes there is a buried nugget even in those. I am not generally a doom and gloom guy, so there are times that my outlook may be jaded by my own success and it is important to leave room for doubt. Regarding the current state of the housing market, you too should leave a little room for the possibility that there are at least small "townships of doom" (not national) little "doomlets" in peoples lives or just a chip on their shoulder from their personal experiences. In regards to peoples motives for their comments, I choose to be even more open minded about that. Almost all presumptions about my motives that people have voiced have been universally wrong.
Thanks for sharing your views--Peace.
9-05-2006 @ 10:38PM
Mr. noitall said...
Sheldon, I also read the "Nightmare Mortgages" article. After reading about those option ARM's I would have to conclude that a "bubble" exists. Such foolish & irresponsible financial behavior by both borrowers & lenders could only happen during times of "irrational exuberance".
9-11-2006 @ 11:18AM
Frank said...
Sheldon, is that a halo over your head? Your calm response about the motives of bloggers is absolutely beatific. Bless you...
But don't you find it interesting that all the media was warning about a housing collapse in frankly, the most desirable parts of the country and the real trouble is showing up in places like Kansas City and Georgia. Im's sure that many were hoping to reap a windfall benefit in coastal California or Florida when the real estate market came down. Now it looks like you have to go to Michigan or the heartland to pick up that cheap foreclosed property. Maybe that is explained in the current issue of the Atlantic Monthly which features a good explanation of a new study that talks about "Superstar Cities" and why they will retain their prices and appreciation.
Thye study indicates that a demographic realignment is under way: the mass relocation of highly skilled, highly educated, and highly paid Americans to a relatively small number of metropolitan regions, and a corresponding exodus of the traditional lower and middle classes from these same places. Such geographic sorting of people by economic potential, on this scale, is unprecedented. The author of the Atlantic Monthly piece calls it the “means migration.”
The author goes on to point out, in the long run, the price of real estate is the best available indicator of the “effective demand” for a particular place, and these places have been pulling away from the pack for decades. Superstar cities are, by their nature, exclusionary, and there is good reason to believe they will become more so in the future. Take a look yourself:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200610/american-brains
9-07-2006 @ 8:37AM
Sheldon said...
Disclosure: There are many times I have found a halo over my head. ;-)
9-07-2006 @ 8:37AM
Sheldon said...
I have not read the article about super-cities, but may soon be placing a big bet that it is true. I tend to believe in the concept.
10-14-2006 @ 6:03PM
Gary Anderson said...
Well, Frank is proven wrong since his post, as it appears that inflation is hanging on and the fed will likely not cut until the third quarter of 07. By that time, the housing market will be comatose. Here is a little prediction of things to come from that bastion of bubbledom, Sydney Australia:
"DEBT-stricken families with new homes, cars and plasma televisions in Sydney's sprawling housing estates are relying on charity handouts to buy food.
Welfare agencies report a worrying increase in the number of middle-income families with big mortgages seeking help to pay grocery, electricity and gas bills.
Dubbed the "pay-later poor'' by St Vincent de Paul, they live in homes boasting cable television and the latest electrical goods and use credit cards to meet basic living costs.
Many of the families live in so-called McMansions.
Rising interest rates and petrol prices have hit them hard, with the latest figures showing soaring personal debt levels and bankruptcies."