Okay, so eBay Inc. (NASDAQ: EBAY) is about to start the webcast soon. You can see quick results here, more comprehensive ones here, and the company's own presentation here. So far so good, the stock is trading up in after market trading.
(All times are p.m. Eastern.)
4:55 I'm all ready, the headphones are on, I keep checking the after market trading and reading the results intermittently. The webcast should begin in a few minutes. Too bad about fourth quarter but good stuff on auction growth. PayPal revenue actually rose by over 40% this quarter. Part of the reason for the better profits is lower tax rate.
[[For some reason the webcast didn't work for me and it took me a while until I tracked down the phone number with Amey Stone's help.]]
5:09 Meg is speaking. Internationally GMV growth of 21%. Europe GMV growth accelerated. Asia the markets are competitive.
5:10 eBay Express - launched in Germany and the UK. Seems a success.
5:11 eBay Motors - also growing. Shopping.com is the #1 comparison site in US, UK, Australia.
5:13 PayPal - 24% of total revenue. $9.1 billion. Excellent quarter. The presentation is "marketing heavy." Meg is talking fast and tries to convince.
5:15 Skype - 26 million users now, growing daily. Users are using WiFi phones to make Skype calls.
5:17 Synergies -- Skype and PayPal. Expects to add synergies. She sees great promise. Testing the buttons in many markets and sellers are asking for more. It helps establishing buyer/seller trust. 20% of Skype users user PayPal.
5:19 Yahoo! and Google partnership. Testing with Yahoo! in early 07 they'll test Google text ads.
Now Bob Swan is talking about financials.
5:20 Acquisitions and weaker dollar added to bottom line. EPS strength due to higher interest income, lower tax rate, higher revenue growth.
5:22 Bob lists growth numbers. They all sound impressive, especially new users and GMV.
5:23 Seller activity - in the US Store listings declined and make 77% of all listings. Fewer store closures than originally anticipated. It's hard to tell going forward as new fees came to effect in September 21.
5:24 Internationally - Europe - some slowdown but in some markets are impressive. Asia - progress in face of tough competition. Korea - growing (really?). China - maintaining share (says that with effort). Australia - standout performance.
5:26 Shopping.com was strong. Marketplace is in better shape.
5:27 PayPal - 127 million accounts. 41% revenue growth. They're happy about PayPal. High penetration rates also in N.America. PPV growth of 27%.
5:28 Transaction expense at PayPal was down (nice).
5:29 Fraud management capabilities improve.
5:30 20% increase q/q in Skype, over 120% y/y. Free SkypeOut promotions were responsible for Skype strong growth.
5:31 Now Bob is going down the P&L statement. I'll bring the exact numbers later, but seems they're doing well. 18% growth in operating income.
5:33 Excellent cash flow over $530 million in Q3. Free cash flow also increased. Share repurchase - 24 million shares at $67 million. $3.8 billion of cash on BS.
5:35 27-28 cents EPS for Q4. $1.01-1.02 FY.
5:36 Business becoming more seasonal. They will be able to know better about Skype by next Q to give better guidance for 2007.
5:38 Summary - happy with Q3 results. And it's question time.
5:39 JPMorgan - next year guidance includes Yahoo!? Bob answers - yes. Second question - Asia - partnership? Joint venture. Meg - healthy growth in listings and GMV. Believes eBay's maintaining share but feels pretty good about where they are. They charge very low fees in China. PayPal and eBay are very close there, like in Korea, so they're looking at that. 3rd q - SkypeMe buttons. Meg - indications are positive. Higher conversion rates when buttons are used.
5:42 Lehman analyst asked a question about Skype in 2007. Meg - she cautiously optimistic and will give better guidance at end of Q4. Bob jumps in and says they'll expand product offering.
5:44 Deceleration in listings. Meg says they're still seeing the effect of fee changes. And the ad campaign, is it the same time, same effect? Meg - yes. Re testing with Yahoo! - what's going on there? Meg - eBay and Yahoo! are working well together (got disconnected, back on). Contextual ads are positive and non-cannibalizing. Graphical ads in Motors and it looks good. Bob - couple more months of testing. They're going to be cautious the ads won't detract from shopping experience. Tests will run until January ? - yes. Skype - how would you monetize users? Meg - variety of incremental revenue streams. Will bring to market in first part of 2007.
5:49 Stifel Nikolaus: GMV growth - what drove it? eBay Express, shopping. com? Meg - rebalancing efforts had a disproportionate effect on that. Nothing in the quarter that was unique in these categories.
5:50 Morgan Stanley Mary Meeker - Skype growth, PayPal, Yahoo! breakdown for 2007. Bob - they weren't sure they should give 2007 guidance but wanted to be transparent. They will give more insight after holiday season. The want to get more insight themselves first.
Stock repurchase - how much of what you could do, you did. Bob - they were opportunistic about the repurchase, especially at today's level.
Meg - PayPal integration onto Yahoo! is very important for 2007
5:55 Anthony Noto, Goldman Sachs - who are the intended users for eBay express (missed the first part of question).
Bob - better operations after the quarter. Decent acceleration going forward.
Meg - eBay Express - the focus will be around getting eBay users.
Anthony - Pay per call. Meg - will see more in 2007.
5:58 Credit Suisse - more about the success of eBay Express. Meg - existing consumers seem to spend more on eBay Express rather than new users but too early to tell.
5:59 UBS about classified and fixed price. Meg - very satisfied with classified. Rolling out similar programs in classifieds. Fixed price - no target. They're going where buyer is taking them.
6:01 Justin Post Merrill Lynch - GMV growth, and Skype - revenue per user going forward. Meg - eBay is aspiring to grow faster than other ecommerce. Rebalancing marketplace and revitalize auction, advertising campaign. Re-accelerate GMV growth in largest markets. Re Skype - development of echosystem and growth of new active users are main points. Revenue per user isn't the focus for 2007 (why not?). Bob is adding about tailored shopping experience, they would look at new categories to expand that.
6:04 Mark Mahaney Citygroup - are you worried about mixed messages between eBay and eBay Express especially later with IT campaign. Meg - trying to introduce core users to Express. IT is the umbrella she is saying and laughing. It is important for people to understand the difference.
6:06 Missed who's asking but it's about China the first part, second about shopping.com. Meg - China - reiterating that they're seeing good GMV growth in a highly competitive market. We ARE committed to China in the long term (phew). Shopping.com is different than other ecommerce site - innovation is what is driving shopping.com great results.
eBay shares are up 61 cents in after hours trading, or 2.14% to $28.49.
And that was that!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 10)
10-18-2006 @ 5:35PM
sigh said...
Well Ann? Shall we celebrate a strong Q3? 1.49 billiopn. 31% growth! Strong growth Earnings and cashflow!
:) Let's make money woo hoo! gotta love it!
It's all in the "spaghetti sauce"! mmmm Yum Yum.
10-18-2006 @ 5:30PM
Dennis Goedegebuure said...
I like spagetti, and love these figures :)
10-18-2006 @ 5:31PM
sigh said...
Well bashers et ilk? Let me guess wait till Q1? Sure will :) and the next quarter and the next quarter and the next quarter and the next quarter.
YOU will be assimilated and resistance is futile by the EBAY Borgster :)!
In the money at $24 folks :)
10-18-2006 @ 5:38PM
Ann Lambert said...
Sigh
Lets give "the bash Ebay crowd" first option.
while we roll in dough as Ebay continue master the art to coruscate at the bottom line.
10-18-2006 @ 5:45PM
sigh said...
Its so silent I can hear a pin drop :)
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated > Ebay Borster!
10-18-2006 @ 5:53PM
Ann Lambert said...
I am listening to Meg & co live now
Guess what, Ace cards in the hole, as always on caution but to deliver on surprise.
The #'s are diamonds in the polishing room. with regard to link/yahoo/google deal.
10-18-2006 @ 6:01PM
sigh said...
Ann I'm very bullish on Paypal. They are going head on with Western Union and the banks on money transfer. There are vast opportunities in this area.
10-18-2006 @ 6:29PM
Ann Lambert said...
Sigh
IMO, after listening to the analyst Q & A
Ebay outerperformed all of them,their question were
clobbered with transparency, the analyst tried
hard to find some form to undermined, but were disappointed and were proven wrong.
10-18-2006 @ 7:03PM
Randy Smythe said...
It's the Sigh and Ann show. Aren't their any other investors out there that have something to say?
If the numbers were going to be bad eBay would have said something in Sept. so it is not a surprise that the numbers look good.
I know Melly only gave us a snapshot of what was said but they were certainly vague about a lot of things going forward. Meg, Bob what does "cautiously optimistic" mean? They said it several times and to me it means. "We don't have a clue but we can't say that so instead we are cautiously optimistic"
Sigh and Ann, you don't make any money until you sell the stock so I wouldn't throw a Spagetti party until you.
10-18-2006 @ 7:27PM
Randy Smythe said...
Sigh, you crack me up. I hope you don't have all your money in eBay. I bet early Ford investors thought they would continue to grow forever too. I just hope you and Ann get out before the bottom falls out.
I would tell you the same thing I tell sellers. Don't count on eBay long-term but use them while you can and keep up the posts. I laugh a lot when reading them.
10-18-2006 @ 7:36PM
Ann Lambert said...
Sigh
never mine Randy, He is placid. having lost is
power-seller status.
OOps GOT HIS BEHIND KICK OFF Ebay.
But I do admired is past success.
10-18-2006 @ 8:04PM
sigh said...
Ann will you join me for a cup of tea? Perhaps we can have intellectual discussion pertaining the disturbing societal issue of:
"Grave fanaticism in any form, even if devoted to a noble cause,is dangerous.”
After you madam :)
10-18-2006 @ 8:22PM
Ann Lambert said...
A cup of tea sounds just delightful, soon as I talley
my time to ebay payroll and hop aboard the "Ebay Hummvie: for the NEXT ROAD KILL.
10-18-2006 @ 9:24PM
Jeff said...
I need a little assistance... maybe those that read and interpret corporate bloviating for a living can help me understand:
Back in July Bill Cobb said here "Store Inventory listings now comprise about 83% of active eBay.com listings on average." (http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200607191343242.html)
Melly reported above above:
>>5:23 Seller activity - in the US Store listings
>>declined and make 77% of all listings.
Yet, I read eBay's presentation (Melly linked in the first paragraph of the blog, page 13):
June 2006
490.5 Million Non-Store listings
105.5 Million Store listings
(I figure 18%)
September 2006
488.3 Million Non-Store listings
95.4 Million Store listings
(I figure 16%)
How, using the same numbers, do Meg Whitman and Bill Cobb come up with 80% and 77% when I am figuring 18% and 16%?
10-18-2006 @ 8:58PM
Dan said...
Interesting tidbit from thestreet.com:
"eBay's third-quarter earnings growth was due in part to a drop in the company's tax rate to 26% from 34% last year. Earnings before taxes fell by almost 2%."
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsanalysis/technet/10315946.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
10-18-2006 @ 9:21PM
sigh said...
Ann as i predicted....STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCHHHHHHHHH
Perhaps we start a body bag business for those who do a face plant :)
Keep on digging folks! 4% FOREVERRRRRRRRRR
10-18-2006 @ 9:38PM
Ann Lambert said...
What a good day
By tomorrow or soon after some pissed off analyst will attempt to play out Ebay forward guidance lowered for the 4 quarter,
What they will not say its why Ebay adjusted the 4Q earnings
At the end of 2005 Ebay projected full year 2006 at the euro conversion Vs. US dollar at that time of 1.20 exchange
Today the management adjusted the rate of the euro vs us dollar @ 1.25 ,"cautiously optimistic” for the rest of 2006 and for the second half of 2007.
1)at a 20% growth on 550 million listing beats 30% growth rate 2005 listing of 350 million plus.
2)Paypal growth rate is NO WAY near maturity and Google“checkout” was yesterday’s "roadkill".
3)Skype is a BIG kid on a very small and young block.
4)Ebay Express is an option for revenue balance, not a principal partner.
The educated consumer know best, always,
95% of EBay‘s traffic is in that category,
The many arms of Ebay umbrella is growing at a faster pace such a E-motors and other BIG Ticket items, that is a bigger bite in two-folds, commission on sale and a bite for paypal.
This just reassured this company’s revenue tenability that is unmatched by any other Internet company in this arena.
10-18-2006 @ 9:46PM
Helen said...
Ann & Sigh sound as if their relieved somewhat. I'm pleased they're enjoying the moment.
As I said in another blog earlier, this quarter is not the report to worry about. If you can make a short term kill on the back of these numbers then well done, fill your pockets. Personally I want to see the numbers when this summers events have worked thru the system - Q1-2 next year is crunch time for me.
The numbers are good until you examine much of the cause - One exception, Paypal on its own I agree is excellent.
Relying on tax cuts to underpin your improvement in numbers aint too encouraging in the longer term IMO but we will see. I still smell spin rather than money coming from Skype and I suspect Meg will be long gone before next years 'more difficult' trading impacts on the core business.
Fair play to you shorties tho, should be a nice pay day tomorrow. But will you hold on and gamble in to 07?
10-18-2006 @ 9:51PM
Melly said...
Dan, thanks for that.
Indeed I mentioned a couple of times that the lower tax rate affected the results, but I think (and I haven't really gone through the P&L yet) that the 2% drop was the expected cyclical effect.
Jeff, I recall us discussing this before. Let me check and see what the numbers you mention refer to and what eBay's mentioned numbers refer to.
10-18-2006 @ 9:58PM
dimes said...
Speaking as an investor, I’m very happy to see that eBay’s revenue is up.
Speaking as a US eBay customer, the numbers I’m seeing on eBay’s press release confirm what many have been saying – the company’s core numbers are either flat or down across the board compared to last quarter.
Here are a few key numbers from eBay’s press release to munch on. When you compare the numbers quarter-over-quarter the picture isn’t nearly as rosy as comparing the year-over-year. As we know, the eBay of Q3 2005 is very different than the eBay of Q3 2006.
Here are the current trends.
REGISTERED USERS
The total number of registered eBay and paypal customers is up from Q2, as is the gap between the total number of customers and the number of active customers. There aren’t enough new users coming in to replace the users who are going away.
EBAY (active = bought or sold in last 12 months)
Q2: 202.7M total/77.7M active/125M inactive
Q3: 211.9M total/79.8M active/132.1M inactive
The number of inactive users increased by 7.1M.
Paypal (active = used the service in past 3 months)
Q2: 113.7M total/29.5M active/84.2M inactive
Q3: 122.5M total/30.9M active/91.6M inactive
The number of unused accounts increased by 7.4M this quarter.
CORE LISTINGS – WORLDWIDE
Q2: 490.5M
Q3: 488.3M
Total non-store inventory declined by 2.2M listings this quarter.
STORE LISTINGS – WORLDWIDE
Q2: 105.5M
Q3: 95.4M
Total store inventory declined by 10.1M listings this quarter.
GROSS MERCHANDISE VOLUME – WORLDWIDE
Q2: $12,896M
Q3: $12,639M
GMV declined $257M this quarter (2%).
PERCENTAGE OF GMV that is BIN (‘buy it now’ immediate purchase vs auction)
Q2: 35%
Q3: 37%
Interesting! Too bad eBay doesn’t break it down by core/store sales so we can see the fee hike effect.
EBAY STORES – WORLDWIDE
Q2: 541,000 total: 286,730 int'l/254,270 US
Q3: 573,000 total: 320,880 int'/252,120 US
Now we know how many stores closed this quarter – 2,150.
PAYPAL – TOTAL # OF PAYMENTS - WORLDWIDE
Q2: 143.3M
Q3: 146.2M
The number of paypal payments increased this quarter by 2.9M.
PAYPAL – TOTAL PAYMENT VOLUME – WORLDWIDE
Q2: $8,856M
Q3: $9,123M
The volume of paypal payments increased this quarter by $267M.
PAYPAL – MERCHANT SERVICE FEES
Q2: 35% of total payment volume ($3,099.6M)
Q3: 37% of total payment volume ($3,375.5M)