The IPO of Alibaba, the large Chinese e-commerce site, may show that the China stock markets are topping. The company appears to have raised $1.5 billion for about 17% of the company. This is good news for Yahoo! Inc. (NASDAQ: YHOO), which invested a billion dollars in the site, but it could also make the US portal look bad. If the China market moves down before Yahoo! can off-load some of those shares, its initial investment in the company may not look like a coup.
The astonishing thing about the Alibaba IPO is that, according to The New York Times, "the I.P.O. price translates to a multiple of 55 times its forecast 2008 earnings." The number serves to point out the fact that, even with its economy growing at 10% a year, sustaining P/Es at this level will become impossible, as it did in the Japanese markets and US internet stocks in late 1990s. Both of those bubbles led to corrections of more than 50%.
The Shanghai Composite Index is now up well over 200% this year. The bull argument for an ongoing increase is that the emerging China middle class needs a place to invest its money and cannot move that capital into overseas equities. That makes the market overly dependent on one set of buyers.
Warren Buffett recently warned that he could not find any stock values in China. He is more often right than wrong. But the telling evidence of a market that cannot be sustained is when its leaders reach dizzying heights. Shares in Baidu.com (NASDAQ: BIDU) one of the most visible Chinese companies, trades at 76 times its annual sales. The closest comparable company in the US, Google Inc. (NASDAQ: GOOG) trades at 14 times.
Does anyone really think that the disparity can be sustained?
Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
10-29-2007 @ 1:15PM
Paul said...
C'mon, you really believe in P/E values as a basis of determining sustainability??? Absolute rubbish. Obviously written by someone who hasn't got a clue in the real world about trading.
10-29-2007 @ 1:51PM
Bill said...
When will Alibaba go public?
11-01-2007 @ 9:53AM
Wolfgang Leander said...
As we say in Germany: Not all that glitters in gold. While Alibaba.com is a highly successful e-commerce firm, they have an ugly blemish. Have a look:
http://www.celsias.com/2007/10/28/alibaba-com-and-yahoo-back-shark-fin-traders/
11-02-2007 @ 1:41PM
tks said...
Get real. Where else in the world will such an enormous number of citizens reach the "middle class" all at one time. This will be a global change in economic scale. Wake up. This cannot be compared to anything we have done here in the US for sure.
11-06-2007 @ 9:34AM
Wayland said...
Shark fin trading? Can you be any more desperate? They are not actively trading shark fins. They simply have customers who are in that business, using their portal. Look at EBay, there is alot of fake stuff on there. I guess the US govt supports/encourages murderers as they tax gun sales and it's those guns that are used to kill people? You need to grow up and open your eyes/mind a bit.
12-01-2007 @ 9:41AM
Wolfgang Leander said...
Wayland: I am not talking about fake stuff on E-Bay, I am not talking about guns, I am talking about the extermination of sharks for their fins. That is real, and Alibaba is actively promoting the trade of shark fins. I don't have to grow up but you should do some homework before opening your mouth.