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Intel Corporation (NASDAQ: INTC)
Q4 2007 Intel Corporation Earnings Conference Call
January 15, 2008 5:30 PM ET

Corporate Participants

Kevin Sellers, Vice President of Investor Relations
Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer
Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Management Summary

Operator


Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2007 Intel Corporation Earnings Conference Call. My name is Akiea and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be conducting a question and answer session toward the end of the conference. At that time, you can press star one to ask questions - to be placed into the queue. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today's call Mr. Kevin Sellers, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed, sir.

Kevin Sellers, Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Akiea, and welcome everyone to Intel's Q4 2007 earnings conference call. Joining me on today's call are Chief Executive Officer, Paul Otellini, and Chief Financial Officer, Stacy Smith. As usual Paul will be discussing the highlights of the quarter and the year and Stacey will then provide more details on our financial performance in Q4, as well as the business outlook for the first quarter and full-year 2008. Following Stacey's comments, we will be happy to take questions.




A few important items before I turn it over to Paul. First, we've posted our earnings release and updated financial statements to our investor website, intc.com for anyone who still needs access to that information. Also if during the call we use any non-GAAP financial measures or references, we will post the appropriate GAAP financial reconciliations to our website as well. Next, a replay of today's call will be posted on our website at around 5 o'clock Pacific Time and will remain there for approximately two months. Lastly, we've scheduled our annual Analyst Investor Day on March 5th and 6th at Intel headquarters in Santa Clara. We look forward to seeing many of you there. Our Quiet Period for the first quarter will therefore begin at the end of business, Friday, March 7.

As we begin, let me remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements based on the environment as we currently see it and as such does include risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our press release for more information on the specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially.

So with that, let me now hand it over to Paul.

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Kevin, and thank you all for joining us today.

The fourth quarter capped a very strong 2007 for Intel. We returned to annual growth with revenues up over 8% and operating income up over 45% for the year. We achieved our goals of regaining product leadership across our entire product line and of becoming leaner and more efficient overall. With our tick-tock strategy working superbly, we exited 2007 with the strongest combination of product, manufacturing and silicon technology leadership in our history. We've reinvented the transistor with our new high-k metal gate formula, and are pleased to note that the initial ramp of our 45-nanometer process exceeds that of our 65-nanometer process. We now have over 30 products launched and shipping in high-volume based on this new technology.

As we look at the fourth quarter results specifically, we continue to benefit from strong demand for our processors and chipsets. ASPs were firm and cost continues to decline contributing to an expansion in our gross margins of about seven percentage points from Q3.

Now, let me touch briefly on each of our major business segments. Our server business had a great fourth quarter as we shipped a record number of processors. We experienced strong double-digit revenue growth in the fourth quarter, both on a sequential basis as well as year-over-year reflecting the strength of our Quad-Core Xeon processor family. Our new core microarchitecture MP platform called Caneland exceeded our ramp and conversion targets for the quarter.

Mobile unit growth continues to be very strong and consistent with the shift to mobility we've seen over the past couple of years. Processor and chipset units both set a record in the quarter. As mobile continues to grow as a fraction of the PC market, system price points have expanded to include new lower prices consistent with consumer purchase capabilities. We are participating in these price points today with a variant of our core microarchitecture and will be adding versions of Silverthorne later this year to address even lower price points with good margins. This is a trend for which we have been planning and believe it's a net positive for us as the mobile segment continues to grow. Our recent launch of new 45-nanometer mobile processors begins the transition of our entire mobile line up to this technology, which will span from the highest performing laptops to the very lowest cost ones, allowing us to expand our lead in performance, power and cost in this critically important segment.

Our desktop business continues to build on the strength we showed last quarter. Our desktop Quad-Core product shipments grew more than 40% from the third quarter, which helped to fortify ASPs in this competitive segment. Our chipset business continued to see strong growth during the quarter. Units grew from the third quarter setting a record and grew sharply from a year ago. Our business continued to be strong and grew from a year ago across all of our major business segments. Our channel business also saw record shipments for the quarter with servers and mobile microprocessor showing particular strength. Overall, channel inventories appeared healthy and in line with our expectations as we head into Q1.

Our flash businesses had a challenging quarter. NOR units declined sequentially even though ASPs increased. Our NAND business continues to ramp with revenue higher than the third quarter on sharply higher unit sales. The NAND competitive environment was worse than anticipated causing ASPs to decline significantly from the third quarter. We plan to close the Numonyx transaction in the first quarter of 2008, something Stacy will address in his remarks momentarily.

In closing, we are very pleased with the significant progress we've made on our strategic objectives during 2007. We entered the New Year leaner and stronger. Our tick-tock strategy continues to differentiate our products and technology. Our business is growing and our financial results are rewarding. We remain optimistic about 2008, and we enter the New Year confident and motivated to build on the successes of '07. Let me now turn the call over to Stacy for a detailed look at our financial performance as well as our business outlook for the Q1 and full 2008. Stacey?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Paul.

2007 was not only a year of bringing great products and process technology to the market, it was also a year in which our commitment to efficiency and spending control enabled the company to grow operating profit significantly faster than revenue. Compared to 2006, revenue grew 8% and with gross profit up and operating expenses down, operating profit was up 45% year-over-year. We exited the year with an operating income margin of over 28%. Revenue for the fourth quarter was a record at $10.7 billion, a 6% increase over the third quarter and below seasonal growth patterns following a strong third quarter. Computing related products and NOR flash met expectations while NAND flash fell short. The quarterly revenue growth came from nearly all product lines. Microprocessors, with a combination of record units, record revenue and flat average selling prices were a significant contributor. We saw double-digit unit growth in server and mobile microprocessors. Flash revenues grew in both NOR and NAND product lines.

Fourth quarter revenue was up 10.5% year-over-year. Growth was driven by all geographies with particular strength in Europe. We achieved full-year revenue in unit records in server and mobile microprocessor's, chipsets and wireless. Gross margin at 58% was up nearly 7 percentage points from the third quarter. Gross profit dollars were $6.2 billion, up 20% from the third quarter and up 29% from the same quarter a year ago. The increase quarter-to-quarter was driven by approximately 3 points from lower unit cost and 1 point each from higher CPU volume, from 45-nanometer product qualifying for sale in the fourth quarter and being classified as inventory, from lower start-up costs, and from the Transmeta settlement charge taken in Q2. Gross margin was 1 point higher than the midpoint of our forecast based on lower than expected startup costs and overall Intel product mix slightly richer than expected.

In a year-to-year comparison, gross margin percentage is 8.5 points higher than the gross margins in Q4 2006. The vast majority of this increase is due to decreasing cost in our CPU business. We continue to reduce spending as a percentage of revenue during the quarter. R&D and MG&A were $2.9 billion, a little higher than in the third quarter and within the forecast range that we provided in October. On an annual basis, spending of $11.2 billion was down $800 million from 2006. In 2007, our structure and efficiency efforts yielded about $2.5 billion of efficiency exceeding our plan to save $2 billion by the end of 2007. Our spending as a percent of revenue declined by nearly 500 basis points over the course of the year from 34% in 2006 to 29% in 2007. We ended the year with approximately 86,000 employees down 8% from a year ago and down 14% from the end of 2005.

Restructuring costs in the quarter were approximately $230 million, $100 million higher than our expectation, primarily due to an impairment related to assets, which we planned to sell in conjunction with the divestiture of our NOR flash memory business. The impairment is based on the revised value we expect to receive when the deal closes. On the balance sheet, inventory declined during the quarter by approximately $170 million to $3.4 billion. The quarterly decline in inventory includes a reduction of NOR inventory of approximately $200 million that has been classified as held-for-sale and is now presented under other current assets. Total cash investments comprised of cash, short-term investments and fixed-income trading assets ended the quarter at $14.9 billion, an increase of $2.3 billion from the third quarter. Net cash provided by operating activities accounted for the increase. During the quarter, stock repurchases were $1.5 billion, capital spending was $1.3 billion, and dividend payments were $660 million.

As we turn now to the outlook for the first quarter and the full year, please keep in mind that unless specified the forecast do not include the effects of any new acquisitions, divestitures or similar transactions that may be completed after January 14th. Consistent with our plan to close the Numonyx transaction in the first quarter, we have included NOR flash in our forecast for consolidated results for Q1. However, our full year forecast does not include a forecast for NOR flash for the rest of the year, since we assumed that the transaction will have closed in Q1. I will use the mid-point of forecast ranges when making comparisons to specific periods.

We are planning for revenue in the first quarter to be between 9.4 and $10 billion. The mid-point of this range would be a 10% increase compared to the first quarter of 2007 and a sequential decline of 9%. Although this is well within the wider historical range for the period, the decline is more than average seasonal decline of 7%. Our expectation for gross margin percentage in the first quarter is 56% plus or minus a couple of points. This is down two percentage points from the fourth quarter and is driven by new 65-nanometer chipset products that will not have qualified for sale in the first quarter and lower CPU units in the seasonally down first quarter. Spending on R&D plus MG&A is forecast to be 2.8 to $2.9 billion, 3% lower than the fourth quarter due to a reduction in profit in revenue depend on expenses. In addition, in a separate category for restructuring and asset impairment charges, we expect expenses of approximately $100 million. Depreciation is forecasted to be approximately $1.1 billion. Our estimate for gains and losses from equity investments and interest and other income is a net gain of $175 million.

Looking ahead to the full year, we are planning for gross margin percentage to be 57% plus or minus a few points. The five percentage point increase from 2007 is due to lower unit cost of computing related products, and to a lesser extent, the divestiture of lower margin businesses. R&D and MG&A is expected to be $11.4 billion, up 2% from 2007 as process development engineers transition from 45-nanometre start-up activities to 32-nanometre development, causing a movement of spending from positive sales to R&D as we would typically see in the year following a process qualification. We are targeting overall capital spending at $5.2 billion, plus or minus $200 million, up $200 million from 2007. Research and development in 2008, we plan to spend approximately $5.9 billion, a modest increase from the $5.8 billion we spent in 2007 and inclusive of the approximately $200 million movement from cost of sales to R&D. Depreciation for the year is forecasted to be $4.4 billion, plus or minus $100 million, down from $4.5 billion in 2007. The estimated tax rate for 2008 is 31%.

As Paul said, we exit 2007 with the strongest combination of products, silicon technology and manufacturing leadership in our history, and the fourth quarter results reflect this leadership as well as the progress the company has made towards improving the cost and efficiency resulting in an increase in operating profit of 105% from the fourth quarter of 2006. And although there is uncertainty in the global economy, we are planning for another year of growth, our profits to grow faster than revenue, and for our investments in products, silicon technology and manufacturing leadership continue to generate competitive advantage.

With that, let me turn it over to Kevin for Q&A.

Kevin Sellers, Vice President of Investor Relations

Okay. Thanks, Stacy. Akiea, we will now like to upon the call for questions and answers. Thanks.

Q&A

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. Please press star one to begin. Questions will be taken in the order received. Please stand by for your first question. And your first question comes from the line of David Wong of Wachovia. Please proceed.

David Wong, Wachovia Capital Markets

Thanks very much. Could you help us understand your gross margin full-year guidance, please, because you're saying that for the last three quarters of the year, you're not including Numonyx. So, that actually helps increase gross margin somewhat. If you start off at 56%, are you reckoning roughly the same gross margin on microprocessors through the year or does this improve through the year?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

So, let me help you by doing a year-over-year comparison in gross margin going from 52%, going from -- sorry, 2007 to 2008 where you see a 5 point increase to the 57%. What you see there is that the unit cost improvements of the majority of the increase year over year. We do see some impact of the divestitures of the lower margin business, but that is frankly in the realm of a point to 1.5. So, the vast majority of the improvement is the unit cost increase. We are not giving a quarter-by-quarter forecast, but you can kind of do the math and get to the first half, second half understanding that Numonyx transaction is expected to close in Q1 and is outside the forecast after that.

David Wong, Wachovia Capital Markets

Right. One other quick one related to that then, would you expect the percentage of your four-way server revenues as a proportion of total server revenues will rise through the year, enrichening the mix in servers?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

I would expect that Quad-Core will continue to grow as a percent of our Xeon shipments, yes.

David Wong, Wachovia Capital Markets

But multiprocessor versus dual processor?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Well, we are just starting to ramp the Caneland version of the Quad-Core platform now. As I said in my comments, that product is on a fairly steep ramp, and we have new products coming in over the course of the year. So, we began retaking our share in servers in dual processors over the course of last year, 2007, and now you're seeing us make some good inroads back into the MP market.

David Wong, Wachovia Capital Markets

Great, thanks very much.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of John Pitzer of Credit Suisse. Please proceed.

John Pitzer, Credit Suisse

Yes, thanks guys. Good afternoon. Just kind of curious on the March quarter revenue guidance. The below seasonality after a Q4 that was also below seasonality and also the prospect of you guys gaining share with some of your new product suites. I guess, is this a reflection of you guys being prudent relative to the macro environment or you're actually seeing sort of forecast from your customers that that would indicate a below seasonal Q1?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, John. Let me actually start this by explaining what happened in Q4 and then I will segment into how we see Q1. In Q4, what we saw was that the computing related products actually grew as we expected, roughly seasonally on the back of a very strong third quarter. So, the computing related segment of the business came in as expected, The part that caused us to be a little bit below the midpoint was the demand pricing environment was quite a bit worse than we expected when we set the forecast for the quarter. As we go into Q1, there's a variety of small factors, no one of which I'd say is significant, but the combination of these has us a little bit conservative, a little bit cautious as we look at the first quarter. We see that demand pricing will probably continue to be weak, so that is a piece in it. We had some supply agreements in place to provide supply to Marvell as part of the sale of our business to them. We saw some of that revenue go in Q4, more goes away in Q1, so that exacerbate seasonality a little bit. Based on what we see and economic indicators, we think it is right to be a little bit cautious as we go into the year. And you got NOR that are within our results now for the first quarter. NOR tends to have exacerbated seasonality Q4 to Q1, so that moves our seasonality a little bit from what we thought. So, several small things, no one of which is significant, but the combination of those has us a little cautious as we start the quarter. It is 10% year-over-year revenue growth in Q1 on top of the 10% revenue growth year-over-year in Q4. So, we think the business continues to grow.

John Pitzer, Credit Suisse

Stacy, one thing you didn't mention was just the PC revenue stream. Is that coming in about seasonal relative to these other adjustment? And I guess the other question will be, did you see any cancellations at the end of Q4 that would make you more cautious about Q1?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

So, the CPU business is roughly seasonal when you look at the unit volume that we expect in the first quarter. We saw demand grow through the fourth quarter. We didn't see anything unusual in terms of cancellations and we didn't see anything unusual in terms of inventory building up. Our inventory is lower than I would like, the disti channel inventory that we had visibility into is at the low end. So, it all felt pretty healthy through the fourth quarter.

John Pitzer, Credit Suisse

Okay, thanks guys.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Uche Orji. Please proceed.

Uche Orji, UBS Warburg

Thank you very much. Let me just start off by asking about restructuring. Are we done with restructuring in 2008, and is there any way of characterizing the operating leverage we can get beyond '08?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

So, we are definitely not down until I close the Numonyx's transaction, that's for sure. So, when we embarked on the restructuring program as we've discussed, it was envisioned as a two-year program. We are not providing a full-year forecast for the restructuring dollars, but I think I can give you some directional comments. I do expect that I'll have some restructuring costs in the second quarter and I think it tails off to be pretty small amount by the time we get into the second half of the year. The big action then to happen for us is the closing of the Numonyx transaction. We've got a couple of smaller factory things going on, but the lion share of what's left to do is closing the Numonyx transaction for us.

Uche Orji, UBS Warburg

All right. Just one more question. You mentioned Europe as being strong in the fourth quarter, but we have picked up filleting with Dickson's [ph] profit warning and some retail sales numbers in Germany, some slowing in Western Europe. Is there any way for us to characterize the channel inventory and just to put it all in context as to what we could expect going forward, because I mean, if Europe was strong in Q4, obviously we are seeing some slowing down. So, is it possible that from here onwards we -- I know you are cautious in your guidance, but can you just tell us what you're seeing with regards specifically channel inventory in Europe and also in Asia? We have also had comments about channel inventory building in Asia, so if you can just address that, that'll helpful.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Okay. The first one is on Europe, we had a very strong quarter in Europe. It was up 22% sequentially and our customer reports in terms of sales out there are very strong, including the stuff we've received most recently in the first part of January. So, so far, we have not seen significant signs of slowdown in Europe or anywhere else for that matter. And there is some bits and pieces of information out there, like the commentary the Dickson's [ph] commentary that you mentioned. But I think, we all haven't really internalized what that may mean in terms of which vendors and which markets share and so forth. In terms of channel inventory, I can only speak to our inventory, our distributor inventory in the channel. On a worldwide basis, that's in very good shape. It's actually down a little bit from other prior quarter and that is at a point in time when we are trying to replenish that with 45-nanometer products. So, if anything, I would like to try and get that up a little bit just like I'd like to try and get out internal inventories up a little bit. In terms of our customers' downstream inventories, I haven't heard any problems, you should really ask them about that.

Uche Orji, UBS Warburg

Okay. Just one last question, please. The guidance for gross margin for full year includes an expectation that inventories will go up and can you just tell us what level of inventory you're comfortable with?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

We get to scoop this question periodically pretty much every quarter. We don't give a forecast for inventory that goes out past the next quarter. For Q1, I'm hoping to actually get a little bit more up with new products into the inventory. We have qualified products on 45-nanometer, which is Penryn. So, I would like to have a little more headroom there and get ahead of the demand curve that we are seeing. If I go out over the course of the rest of the year, it's going to be dependent on a lot of different factors, so I won't give a forecast beyond Q1, but Q1 I would actually like to grow it a little bit. You see seasonal patterns in inventory. So, you could kind of look at that and get an idea. I am not seeing anything for 2008 that would lead me to be different than what you normally see a build ahead for the big selling seasons, but it's too early to call.

Uche Orji, UBS Warburg

All right. Great, thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jim Covello of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.

James Covello, Goldman Sachs

Good evening. Thanks so much. I would like to revisit the margin question and just understand relative to sort of the pro forma guidance for the first quarter, if I look like-for-like over the course of the year, we know there are some positive impacts to gross margins including mix shift toward higher end and what should be fully loaded factories relative to the inventory rebuild. So, what are the negative offsets to margins that are keeping the sequential guidance? I understand the year-over-year guidance is very - or the margin improvement is strong. But what are the negative offsets that are keeping the sequential margin guidance flattish as we go throughout the year?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Well, so let me answer that. I will give you the insight I can into Q1 margin guidance. But again I am not going to give a quarter-by-quarter margin forecast.

James Covello, Goldman Sachs

I'm sorry, just -- I don't necessarily want a forecast, but what are the negative offsets that are keeping the full-year guidance from being meaningfully higher than the Q1 guidance?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

So in Q1, what we see is that we have some product that we were building ahead on chipsets that would be pre-qualification. We see CPU unit volume being seasonally down. I think as I work my way through the course of the year, if I am 56% in Q1, and I'm 57% for the year, and I have got some of this it is a divestiture that is to be happened, what you see is actually a pretty flattish gross margin if you just average it across the year at a reasonable rate. So, I'm not going to give you a quarter-by-quarter forecast, but the improvement that we are seeing right now is based on cost and I think that cost improvement continues over the course of 2008.

James Covello, Goldman Sachs

And I'm sorry, I'll ask one more time. If the cost improvement continues and there should be positive mix shift, what are the things that are offsetting that for the full year?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

I am -- as I look at the full-year, I see some good news based on cost improvement, I see some good news based on divestitures, I don't have negatives that are hidden in that margin forecast.

James Covello, Goldman Sachs

So how come it's not higher for the full year then?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

It is the gross margin forecast that we have for 2008.

James Covello, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Srini Pajjuri of Merrill Lynch. Please proceed.

Srini Pajjuri, Merrill Lynch

Thank you. Stacey, just can you comment on pricing, what sort of -- I'm just assuming that looking at your gross margin forecast, there are obviously some negatives as we move into the next few quarters. Is it all pricing related or is it mix related? Given that you are so early into the 45-nanometer ramp, I would have expected you to see some more unit costs benefits, and it looks like you're not going to see it, so I am just curious as to what is going on there?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

We are not going to give a pricing forecast for the year. Our expectation as we start the year is that it is kind of similar to what we've seen over the last couple of quarters. We have product leadership that helps inoculate us a bit at the high end and there's competition that impacts us kind of the midrange of our stacking down. But I'd say, it's pretty similar to what we've seen over the last couple of quarters, and Paul talked about what we are seeing in the mobile segment, as that becomes a bigger percentage of the business.

Srini Pajjuri, Merrill Lynch

Okay. And then as we move into Q2, obviously you are assuming that you will exit the NOR business. And historically I think you did about flat to down 2% or so, I'm just -- I don't have a good idea as to how big your NOR business is, any thoughts on how we should model it for Q2?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

In terms of gross margin?

Srini Pajjuri, Merrill Lynch

No, just the revenues.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Oh, in terms of revenues, Yeah, we don't typically break out NOR from NAND, we give you a segment for the memory business. We actually took away that segment this quarter in anticipation that Numonyx deal would have closed and it actually becomes a much less important driver of our business. If we still had that segment, so consolidated results for NOR and NAND, what you'd see from Q3 to Q4 is that revenue grew a little bit from 553 to 586; Paul gave you the elements of that. The NOR units are down a bit, ASP is stronger based on increasing density, we are seeing the NAND business ramping, pricing coming down, but I won't break out the NOR result specifically there. But in terms of the full-year gross margins, once we take in the Numonyx transaction and it's closed, it's a point to 1.5 of gross margin for the year -- for the rest of the year.

Srini Pajjuri, Merrill Lynch

Thank you.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Welcome.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Danely of J.P. Morgan. Please proceed.

Christopher Danely, J.P. Morgan

Thanks, guys. Hey, Stacy, one last quick question on gross margin. So, if we strip the flash effects, it looks like your Q4 of '08 gross margin should be roughly similar to Q4 of '07, so should we assume that this is your peak gross margin, or could it go higher than that, can you just comment on that a little bit?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Sure. It could go higher, it could go lower. I feel really good about the progress we are making on the cost side. I feel good about the progress we are making on divesting some of the lower margin businesses. The key element that could cause it to be higher and could cause it to be lower is what's the pricing environment, and that's really a function of the strength of our product roadmap relative to competition. I think we're starting the year in a pretty good spot, but that's the thing that could swing it up or swing it down.

Christopher Danely, J.P. Morgan

Okay. Then as my follow-up, I know it's pretty far out there, but can you just comment on what you expect depreciation and start up cost trends to do in 2009 versus 2008, either up or down?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

No, I wouldn't hazard a forecast for 2009. At the Analyst Meeting in March, we will give you, as we typically do, some longer-term trends in terms of -- in terms of cost and where our capital is going. And so you will be able to drive some of that, but I'm not going to do that now.

Christopher Danely, J.P. Morgan

Okay. Thank you.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

You are welcome.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Ross Seymore of Deutsche Bank. Please proceed.

Ross C. Seymore, Deutsche Banc Securities

Thanks. Looking at mobility group, it looks like your notebook CPU business slowed a bit in its quarterly growth and year-over-year, but the operating income actually increased pretty nicely. Can you just give us a little color behind what is happening there?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Sure. I will give you a little bit. I think Paul gave you a lot of it actually in his speech. So, if you look at the mobile processing segment, what you saw was double-digit unit growth. We continue to see the shift towards mobility, but as notebook becomes a larger and larger percentage of the TAM, we expect a crossover point sometime in 2009 where it as it grows that you see it moving into emerging markets and more price sensitive segments of the market. And so, it is a little more competitive pricing that leads to unit growth that we think is very beneficial to us. So, that is specifically on the notebook processor segment. You also see in that segment the impact of what I was talking about with the Marvell supply agreement. That started to come down a little bit in Q4, it will come down more in Q1, so that is part of what is driving our Q4 to Q1 seasonality. And then on the positive side, you see a variety of things, but the biggest single item is just the cost reduction we are achieving quarter-on-quarter that drives operating margin results in that segment, yet a little bit for some other issues like start up costs coming down and things like that, but the lion's share of that is just cost improving.

Ross C. Seymore, Deutsche Banc Securities

So, the ASPs in that segment came down mainly because of the mix. Is it fair to assume then that the ASPs in the server and the desktop side of things must have offset that to the positive to get that lag you talked about?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

I did say that ASPs were firm and about flat, so you can do the math on that, yeah.

Ross C. Seymore, Deutsche Banc Securities

Okay. And I guess as a follow-up and somewhat unrelated, on the CapEx side of things, that rising year-over-year. Can you just talk a little bit about where that spending is going to take place?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Well, what drives our CapEx spending is going to be the build-out of the 45-nanometer factory network. You've got a little bit of 32-nanometer actually in there at the end of the year. I'll show you more of that at the spring analyst meeting. You would expect in the year following a process qualification that you have a big year from CapEx spending. We actually see this number as being a little bit below what you normally expect based on the progress we've made in improving utilizations and efficiency. And I don't want to steal all the thunder, because I'll go through quite a bit of this at the Analyst Meeting. But hidden under the numbers here, we've increased the peak that we are building for in 45 nanometer, and we are doing it with less capital than we originally anticipated, and I will show you some of that in a few weeks.

Ross C. Seymore, Deutsche Banc Securities

Great, thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sumit Dhanda of Banc of America. Please proceed.

Sumit Dhanda, Banc of America Securities

Hi, Stacy. I had a question for you on the divestiture of the flash business. Am I correct in assuming that there is a benefit to SG&A and R&D which is reflected in your full-year forecast mainly in the last three quarters of the year. And how should we -- if you can give any guidance, think about modeling the online consolidation post the divestiture?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Yes. For all of the annual forecast number I gave you, it assumes that the NOR business is part of our consolidated results in the first quarter and then not part of the consolidated results Q2, Q3, Q4. The impact of that is you'll see the revenue come up. You'll see gross margin get a little bit better, we have talked about that. You will see a minor impact SG&A and then will pick up on a one quarter lag, the gain or loss from Numonyx. But it is going to be outside the consolidated operating profit results of the company. So, it will be in the EPS but not in the consolidated operating profit results.

Sumit Dhanda, Banc of America Securities

Okay, good. And a quick follow-up. You know, the factors you cited for your Q1 guidance being a little below seasonal, repricing the NAND, the Marvell supply agreement, NOR seasonality, and then the economic forecast, could you sort of break out or rank order the drivers for the impact versus a down 7% seasonally normal quarter?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Given that we are kind of inside a wide range of seasonality, albeit at the low end, you are getting into making some pretty small impacts, again no one of which is super significant. It is a combination of those that has me a little cautious as we start that first quarter. So, if you are asking, is it concerns about the computing related segment that's really driving that, it's not. It's a variety of factors with macroeconomics being one of them, but other more specific factors being part of it as well.

Sumit Dhanda, Banc of America Securities

Okay. Thank you very much.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

You're welcome.

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Glen Yeung of Citigroup. Please proceed.

Glen Yeung, Citigroup

Thanks. Stacy, you gave us guidance, full-year guidance for gross margins, what is the underlying assumption about the PC industry that you have, to help you to give you that guidance. And within that do you think Intel is going to be above or below that or gaining share within that forecast?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

I'll actually kick that over to Paul.

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Glenn, it's Paul. Let me give Stacy a break here. We are assuming -- let me backup. Most of the industry analysts have PC unit volumes growing in the low double-digits in '08 over '07. That is an assumption we wouldn't argue with and that's one that we are building our capacity plans around.

Glen Yeung, Citigroup

Okay. All right, low double-digits, okay. And then when you - actually, let me ask this question - unfortunately, Paul, this is for Stacy. The tax rate was a little bit higher than we have thought, can you give us the outlook for tax rate in '08 and what we should be modeling for that?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, we -- I think I gave you the tax rate for '08 of 31%. What we saw in Q4 was a little bit of a shift. So, we were a little higher than our forecast for Q4. It was a little bit of a shift to taxable income in higher tax jurisdictions. You will see that the '08 tax rate is quite a bit higher than 2007. You have to remember, we had some one time tax settlements in first part of 2007 that has our 2007 rates pretty low.

Glen Yeung, Citigroup

I'm sorry. The other part of my first question was whether or not you think Intel would be gaining share in your '08 forecast?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Well, I don't think I want to forecast that right now. I think our product line is solid and our capacity is relative to our view of the market, unconstrained. So, we will see how it sorts out over the course of the year.

Glen Yeung, Citigroup

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Tim Luke of Lehman Brothers, please proceed.

Timothy Luke, Lehman Brothers

Thanks. Stacy, in discussing the weakness of the NAND business that led you to be slightly below the midpoint of the guidance, could you just sort of frame for us what the impact was there and sort of what the range of how much that may have been, and how we may see that to be impacting the first quarter as well?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Well, I think you can do the math. I think I gave you all the pieces. In Q4, the computing related products and NOR flash came in roughly in line with my expectations when I set the quarter. The mix was based on NAND and specifically the NAND pricing environment is quite a bit more challenging than we thought. As we go into Q1, again it is a variety of factors, NAND pricing is one of them that has us at the lower end of the seasonal range that we would expect.

Timothy Luke, Lehman Brothers

With respect to your OpEx guidance, it comes in R&D and SG&A for the full year, slightly above some of the Street models in a period when you have been very focused on efficiency and cost reduction. Could you outline whether we should see those numbers as somewhat conservative and what the key areas of investments may be in terms of both R&D and SG&A?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

I think that's one I'll save for the analyst meeting. We will go through in some detail the investment profile and investment in growth businesses versus core, so I will show you that then. We are up a little bit year-on-year, but we also have this reclassification that we tend to see every couple of years of R&D had that moved from getting process into production, which is 45 nanometer to now doing pure R&D on 32 nanometer. That really accounts for the increase that we see year-over-year.

Timothy Luke, Lehman Brothers

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Hans Mosesmann of Raymond James, please proceed.

Hans Mosesmann, Raymond James

Thanks. I think most of my questions have been answered, but just a quick one, just so we just put it on the table before it comes up again later on in the week. Is there any double ordering, whatsoever in your business that you can tell?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Not that we've seen any signs on, Hans.

Hans Mosesmann, Raymond James

Thank you.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

We try to monitor this pretty closely.

Hans Mosesmann, Raymond James

That's good. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Lau of Kessler [ph]. Please proceed.

Unidentified Analyst

Great. Thanks. Paul, you've given us a lot of the data points and I wanted to recap what you've said. The lower than normal seasonality for Q1 is based upon a lot of different factors, but you remain unchanged with regards to a double-digit consensus thought process for what the PC growth rate would be for 2008? Am I correct on that?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Right. And Stacy said, I think, pretty clearly that our view of Q1 is not being clouded by a pessimistic view of computing.

Unidentified Analyst

And in terms of any other changes, I know you may have answered this, but nothing has changed in terms of fundamentals on the emerging markets or the US to change your thought process this early in the year for that double-digit growth, is that correct?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

That's correct and if anything I think this shift towards mobility continues to be one of the growth drivers of the industry. And that as price-points for notebooks come down, that tends to open up even more markets. So, on one side -- the other side is this thing we didn't talk much about was so far in the call is servers. We had an outstanding quarter and an outstanding year for servers and servers and notebooks go hand-in-hand. The servers are built in the infrastructure for the Internet and the enterprises, and the notebooks are essentially becoming the clients to view those on, and the combination we think is very powerful and is not showing any signs of diminishing.

Unidentified Analyst

And that and that leads to the final segue to my last question and speaking specifically on servers, your competition have indicated that that they were constrained and that may have led to favorable -- more favorable pricing environment, do you see that continuing in Q1?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, I don't know what their plans are, we will hear a little bit more later this week. But, what we're finding is customers are very satisfied with the products we're shipping, both of MP and DP, and our volumes are growing very, very nicely. And you saw very clearly in the last couple of years that when server momentum changes in one direction, it tends to move in that direction for some time. I think the wind is at our back at this point.

Unidentified Analyst

Right. Thank you, very much.

Operator

Your next question comes the line of Mark Lipacis. Please proceed.

Mark Lipacis, Prudential Equity Group

Thank you for taking my question. Maybe a question for Stacy. At IDF, you guys showed a chart of forecasted microprocessor manufacturing unit cost by quarter which I thought was quite helpful. Would you say that chart is still a fair approximation of how you expect your microprocessor manufacturing cost to track for the year or have your expectations and outlook for that cost structure changed? Thank you.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, thanks Mark. We'll update that chart for SAM that you will see in a few weeks. So, I don't think I'll go through the year. If you look at what we are seeing in the first quarter, what you see is a slight increase in CPU cost as we ramp the 45-nanometer processor, exactly as we predicted at the Spring Analyst Meeting last year. It's offset by the fact that our chipset cost is better, based on a variety of factors, but running full factory is certainly part of it. So, yeah, I think that Q1 cost trend that we are seeing is directionally the same as what we showed you. We are starting the year with probably a little better cost momentum than I was anticipating and we will update that when we get to the Spring Analyst meeting -- to the analyst meeting in a few weeks.

Mark Lipacis, Prudential Equity Group

Great. Thanks, very helpful.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Cody Acree of Stifel Nicolaus. Please proceed.

Cody Acree, Stifel Nicolaus

Thanks. The talk of the mobile ASPs, obviously emerging market growth has been very strong. To what extent does the rapid growth of emerging markets have, any impact on your overall view in '08 or maybe in end '09 for PC revenue growth?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

It's a big part of it. I mean I think that -- for example, this last quarter in Q4, Asia Pacific and Japan hit both records. Now, Japan is not an emerging market, but Asia-Pacific is a pretty good surrogate for that. And sales in China continue to boom and I think with the Olympics coming on this year, it's going to be even a better year for electronics in China.

Cody Acree, Stifel Nicolaus

I think, Paul, what I was trying to get to is do you get to a point where we are getting some diminishing returns or the mobile prices are falling so rapidly that we're not out running that unit growth?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

No, I don't see that happening, number one. Number two, mobile ASPs are still better than desktop ASPs. No matter what you do here, they are always going to be above them. And then, I alluded to it in my comments, one of the things we are excited about is embracing this trend with a new product line aimed at this, which is aimed for lower-cost notebooks based upon Silverthorne, and that allows us to take pricing down even farther to take the bill of materials down for these machines lower and make very good margins because our costs are substantially lower than the existing products that we ship into these things. So, having a tailored product for ultra low cost notebooks, if I could invent that phrase, is a first for us and I'm very excited about it.

Cody Acree, Stifel Nicolaus

And then lastly, Paul, you made specific remarks to macroeconomic concerns, but it sounds like everything within the PC space is relatively healthy? Is there anything within general electronics and technology that you can point to that you've keyed in on in the last few months that is giving you specific pause or is it --

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Actually, I don't think I've said I have concerns. I said I have the same caution that I think that everybody in America who watches CNBC has today. You hear all of the pundits saying that the world's going to a trash basket and you worry, it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy. At this point though, we don't see anything on the horizon, our customers don't see anything on the horizon. I was at CES last week talking to people from all around the world, and we just don't see it. You have to remember 75% of Intel's revenues are not in the United States and that's where were the bulk of the growth has been coming from. So, if there is a near-term concern, I think it tends to be focused on the US market, particularly on the US capital market and our customers at least and we don't see that leaning over at this point in time. It would be imprudent not to be cautious about it though.

Cody Acree, Stifel Nicolaus

Perfect. Thanks.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Douglas Freedman, of AmTech Research. Please proceed.

Doug Freedman, American Technology Research

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Paul, just to sort of dig into what you just mentioned a little bit deeper, would your plans change significantly if you did see macro affects start to hit your business? Given the fact that it does look like you are spending more money in the R&D and SG&A spending also are calling for increases when we had been under sort of more of a belt tightening mode?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, let me back up. We are not really growing our spending. Stacy talked about some structural changes in terms of dollars, 100, $200 million moving from cost of sales to R&D as we move from the natural part of the cycle of deployment of new silicon technology to R&D and the next generation of it. So, that is the fundamental thing. But with the exception of things like foreign exchange, our spending is fundamentally flat below the line and pretty much across the board in terms of the company, we are on track to deliver that third billion dollars of overall structural and efficiency program spending that we said we would do when we set the program in place a year-and-a-half, two years ago. We've got over 2 billion this year and that third billion will come in 2000 -- in '07, the third billion will come in 2008. So, I just don't see it.

Doug Freedman, American Technology Research

All right. And then could you talk a little bit about -- you do have the operating model back with its legs underneath that you are spitting out some pretty nice free cash flow, can you talk about some of the uses that you see you think for that, or how should we think about buybacks versus dividend versus other uses of that cash?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

Yes, and this is where we never help you as much as you want in terms of specific guidance. In the fourth quarter, I think it's pretty indicative of our strategy. We did a $1.5 billion worth of buyback. We raised the dividend, we paid the dividend. So, you are going to continue to see us use both ways to return cash to the shareholders over time, and beyond that I wont forecast for you a specific buyback level for 2008 or for Q1.

Doug Freedman, American Technology Research

And then if I could just focus in quickly on some product ramp that I think are important for the year, the notebook ramp on Montevina , can you give us an update how that's going and expectations there, also any update you could on your products targeting the graphics margin?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Let me back up. On Montevina, it's not shipping yet. We are on target to ship it and should launch systems in the Q2, mid-Q2 timeframe. That looks very good right now, all the silicon is solid and we are in production on all elements of it. And I want to reiterate, we're in high-volume production across over 30 microprocessors now at 45 nanometers. So, that process technology is very strong, including the mobile products. And the question on graphics please again?

Doug Freedman, American Technology Research

If you could update us on sort of product developments there and how that road map is looking as you mentioned Larrabee in the past targeting that market?

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

There's two thrusts there, one is to significantly increase the performance of our integrated graphics line, our existing product line, and you will see a bump in that product line in 2008 that takes that performance up substantially, and then a couple more bumps over the next couple of years. We are on track to deliver the 10x performance improvement in integrated graphics by 2010, and that is in a fairly linear fashion from 2006 to 2010. Larrabee, first silicon should be late this year in terms of samples and we will start playing with it, sampling it to developers and I still think we're on track for our product in late '09, 2010 timeframe.

Doug Freedman, American Technology Research

Great, thank you for the detail.

Kevin Sellers, Vice President of Investor Relations

Akiea, we are going to take one more question, if you could, thank you.

Operator

Okay. Your last question comes from line of David Wu of Global Crown Capital. Please proceed.

David Wu, Global Crown Capital

Well, just under the wire. I guess I have one question, Stacy. I think last quarter in the conference call, the first quarter assumption on X86 microprocessor was that since those products were produced in Q4 when your factories were full, the gross margin don't take much as big a dip as you normally would offset by some additional 45 nanometer start-up expense. But it does look like your guidance is quite a bit lower than that. Is that a function of your fear on the NAND pricing situation or has things changed a bit on that period when you produced a product 90 days later to become revenues?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

So, I don't think we have forecasted the first quarter gross margin in the last call.

David Wu, Global Crown Capital

Well, there was talk about the first quarter, that you should not equate the unit volume shipments in the quarter with unit costs, because unit cost is determined by prior quarter production.

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

That relationship still holds. That is part of the good news to cost that we are seeing in Q4. It was the volume that we started to produce in Q3 as the factories ramped towards full. We're still on - I think you still see same phenomenon in Q1. It's offset a little bit in the CPU space by the fact that we have a higher mix of 45 nanometer wafers coming out at the early end of that process transition as we typically see those are a bit more expensive wafers, so that causes a slight increase. That is pretty much exactly as we had showed you at Spring Analyst Meeting last year.

David Wu, Global Crown Capital

How much does the pricing pressure on NAND flash come into your guidance for Q1 gross margin?

Stacy J. Smith, Chief Financial Officer

It will be a negligible impact on the gross margin in Q1.

David Wu, Global Crown Capital

Okay. Thank you.

Kevin Sellers, Vice President of Investor Relations

Okay. Akiea, before we close what I would like to do, and thanks David for the question, I am going to turn the time over to Paul for just some wrap up comments and then Akiea, we'll close the call. Thanks.

Paul S. Otellini, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Kevin.

As we close out our call today, I wanted to look ahead for just a moment. 2008 holds the promise of some significant milestones for Intel. First of all, it marks our 40th anniversary as a company, 40 years of changing the world. In 2008, we plan to launch new products such as Canmore targeted at consumer electronics and Silverthorne aimed at low-cost notebooks and mobile Internet devices. These products support our strategy to take Intel architecture and the technical breadth of 45 nanometers into new markets for Intel. 2008 will also see the advent of Wimax enabled notebooks. Towards the end of '08, we plan to launch Nehalem, our next-generation micro architecture, which brings significant changes and enhancements to our processor product line. Our resultant position exiting '07 coupled with our plans for 2008 give us optimism for another good year for the company. We look forward to sharing more of our results and plans with you as the year unfolds. We thank you all for joining our call today, and we look forward to seeing many of you at our Analyst Day on March 5th and 6th here in Santa Carla. Good night.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect and have a great day.

Analysts

David Wong, Wachovia Capital Markets
John Pitzer, Credit Suisse
Uche Orji, UBS Warburg
James Covello, Goldman Sachs
Srini Pajjuri, Merrill Lynch
Christopher Danely, J.P. Morgan
Ross C. Seymore, Deutsche Banc Securities
Sumit Dhanda, Banc of America Securities
Glen Yeung, Citigroup
Timothy Luke, Lehman Brothers
Mark Lipacis, Prudential Equity Group
Cody Acree, Stifel Nicolaus
Doug Freedman, American Technology Research
David Wu, Global Crown Capital

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