Jon
I watch Gm and Ford too.. After recent buyouts, I get the gut feeling that most of GM and Ford car buyers are just UAW loyals anyway. I figure that GM and Ford can just forget them as well. they can stopbuilding Pickups for them. They can go suck Tundras and Titans made in Texas.
Toyota , Honda, Nissan and others have no problem training newbies in the new plants they built right here in USofA duringpast decade or so. No problem...
I am trying to save GM and Ford. UAW just chose to call it quit instead of swallowing it hard. Such quitters!!!
They can just go away.
If GM and Ford cant win back foreign car buyers, then all is over. We will suffer from a huge dent in our economy as GM and Ford is contributing close to a trillion to our economy annually. It iwll take a long, long time for Tokyo to build enough plants to replace them here. There will be a great shortage of cars and pickups here.
Who is to blame? UAW and loyal car buyers.
NOT ME!!

Product - Management - Product - Manageement

It is all about Mroduct & Management. When GM makes acceptable product at a fair price, they will prosper. As long as they continue to make weak product with marginal quality, they will continue to fail. You can blame the UAW all day long and you would be dead wrong. UAW does not design or appoint the product, all they do is build the product management specifies. Cost of labor? wrong again. Japan & Germany both have higher labor costs in their home countries and still manage to be profitable and prolific.

Don't any of you "get it"?

Look at the competitor nations.

Germany or more precisely the Euro market don't buy into the myth that they can't do more for each other. In other words, the public there hasn't bought into self loathing. They don't need or want Consumers Reports & that attitude.

Japan lies about trade. Nobody here or elsewhere can dispute it. All the proof needed is to see their current interest rate and the history of that rate. They blatantly devalue currency to screw the heck out "their" biggest market. And you idiots ignore that fact. Labor costs mean nothing when capital costs are manipulated so much. And now they are here buying America with devalued currency. And you morons accept it. You are like cattle being led to slaughter but won't do a damn thing about it.

When Japan stops lying about currency, then we can can compare Toyota to GM. But I will tell the brain dead here something. Japan will never stop. They are like crackheads about their manipulation.

You idiots better wake up. It's not about product, there is no "global economy" while there are predators in the "market". And just like textiles, electronics and manufacturing, they will get you too.

American auto manufactures could build cars that are of the same quality as Honda or Toyota, but are unfortunately budget limited because of the massive pension and benefit packages that are given to U.A.W. members. I’m not saying that higher pay and good benefits is a bad thing, however, when the rest of the world works for daily food rationing, it makes it hard for our guys / gals to compete.

All Americans need to make higher salaries so they can afford luxury products like new cars, trucks, TV’s, boats, and etc. When everyone is buying these products we all benefit in some way at the jobs we work at. The Chinese workers won’t be able to afford American cars nor will the Mexican workers or any other 3rd world countries. The industry depends on citizens making good enough wages that they can afford these products. This keeps the economic cash circle rotating.

I put the full blame for all this economic problems on N.A.F.T.A. which has completely wiped out the American Manufacturing capability and all the foolish politicians “Democratic and Republican” who don’t seem to understand the basic Free Enterprise system our country is built around.

The only answer to solving our economic problem is to bring back tariffs so we can compete with the rest of the world. The answer is not cutting wages, laying off employees, and moving company’s out of the country. We should be hiring more workers paying them good wages and building new factories here in the U.S.A.

At some point all the company’s around the world will discover that there is no one left who can afford there products. This will especially hold true when they finish eliminating the American middle class. The greatest economic force the world has ever known.
That will be the end of the Western World as we know it today. I’m more afraid of that then any meteor hitting the earth, or Global warning.

American auto manufactures could build cars that are of the same quality as Honda or Toyota, but are unfortunately budget limited because of the massive pension and benefit packages that are given to U.A.W. members. I’m not saying that higher pay and good benefits is a bad thing, however, when the rest of the world works for daily food rationing, it makes it hard for our guys / gals to compete.

All Americans need to make higher salaries so they can afford luxury products like new cars, trucks, TV’s, boats, and etc. When everyone is buying these products we all benefit in some way at the jobs we work at. The Chinese workers won’t be able to afford American cars nor will the Mexican workers or any other 3rd world countries. The industry depends on citizens making good enough wages that they can afford these products. This keeps the economic cash circle rotating.

I put the full blame for all this economic problems on N.A.F.T.A. which has completely wiped out the American Manufacturing capability and all the foolish politicians “Democratic and Republican” who don’t seem to understand the basic Free Enterprise system our country is built around.

The only answer to solving our economic problem is to bring back tariffs so we can compete with the rest of the world. The answer is not cutting wages, laying off employees, and moving company’s out of the country. We should be hiring more workers paying them good wages and building new factories here in the U.S.A.

At some point all the company’s around the world will discover that there is no one left who can afford there products. This will especially hold true when they finish eliminating the American middle class. The greatest economic force the world has ever known.
That will be the end of the Western World as we know it today. I’m more afraid of that then any meteor hitting the earth, or Global warning.

"The Big 3 can't afford to lose too many workers who know how to build cars that people want at prices they can afford."
what a pack of misleading lies and misinformation. this article is a classic example of propaganda labeled as news. how much were you paid to write this? how much was paid tp put it out here as "news"?

If GM was really serious about getting rid of people making high wages so they can replace them with lower wage people, they would have sweetened the deal for those people with 26-30 yrs in. The only people who will probably take this new deal are those with more than 30 years!

I do not like the thought of thousands of people leaving GM.If anyone ever worked assembaly they would know how hard it is to just jump in and do a ass job.Some are eaiser than others but not all people can do all the jobs.I fear quality will take a big hit if the have to fill all those ass jobs at once.They should offer those people a offer to take the lump sum to stay but at a lower rate.A win win as i see it.

GM has one thing on their mind, export all the jobs, and get cars built as cheap as possible in third world nations so they can sell to the wealthy on a world market, Then they can have profits that match Exon. That will be when all Americans are competing with the illegal immagrants for jobs here in our own country just to eat. We can thank all the greedy people at the top of our corporations who make the millions of dollars. Delphi was just another Enron, but our govt. has made it leagal for them to get away with it now. They are bigger in China and other third world economy's now. They didn't file bankruptcy there. They have busted the union and the America way of life.

Seems to me there are lot of people guilty of greed.The GM shareholders want a good return on investment so instead of building new plants like the Japanese,GM paid big dividends to its shareholders not to mention their hugh management bonuses.And of course,not to be outdone the UAW had to have cradle to grave coverage that today adds about $1400.00 to the costs of a new car to cover retiree costs.Wow....no wonder we are losing to Toyota.

as a retired auto worker i think the gm benefits suck when i meet other people that are retired they have a much better package.

the robots actually build the cars these idiots just watch the robots all day long
they better take the money because when you have a thousand of them standing around at that wage plus healthcare and retirement ,
moving the plant to mexico becomes a very affordable alternative

Does anyone hear that big sucking sound yet??? That N.A.F.T.A. vacuum still sucking those middle class jobs out of this country. Textile's,steel,automotive,pharmaciuticles,tools,Harley.....on and on.The benifits are only being reaped by corporate thieves that our government condones it to continue.They get the tax breaks, share off shore profits,claim we can't compete.Prices of vehicles have not been reduced.Wage and benifits have!!!! OHH!!
Let's award corporate leadership with bonus incentive packages. Those same people that put these companies in the position they are in.They found it cheaper to produce steel out of this country.Now you & I will be hit with dramatic increases to vechicles because of the high cost of steel.Hmmmm!! If it is more cost effective to produce off shore,why do we pay more money for all that junk that comes back to the U.S.
Working middle class built this country with quality products.It's those products they built & purchased drove this countries economy.It's pretty obvious those service industry jobs don't buy $35,000 cars,$250,000 homes,$60.00 blue jeans.
So, look around,examine all the junk you buy that supports off shore manufacturing.
Are you proud to be American? Support product made in good old U.S.A. That's what keeps this economy going.Living Wages,not "WELCOME TO WALMART" or "WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT"
You better ask where you're medication is manufactured!!! Oh yes,so what's a little lead or cadmium going to hurt!