Presumptive Republican presidential candidate John McCain's plan to award a $300 million prize "for the development of a battery package that has the size, capacity, cost and power to leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars " raises many questions.For one thing, what does he mean by "leapfrog?" Does the McCain car have to be 10?% better? 20% better? or 30% better? Will a marginal improvement suffice? Moreover, who is going to decide whether the goal is met? environmentalists? the automakers? the government? These people can not agree on what we should do to reduce air pollution; I can't imagine the fights that will occur over what constitutes a technological "leap."
McCain wants the car to deliver a power source at 30% of the "current costs." Does that mean costs as of 2008 or whenever this wonder car is ready to be sold to consumers? How does he define "costs?" Is it the total cost of ownership or a reduction in the sticker price or something else entirely? Why limit it to batteries? What about hydrogen fuel cells whose only pollution is water vapor?
In a speech he delivered today, McCain pointed out that "right now we have a hodgepodge of incentives for the purchase of fuel-efficient cars." Indeed, purchasing a hybrid only makes economic sense for the most die-hard of tree huggers. But is the answer to skyrocketing gasoline price to be found in a contest? I am not so sure.
The $300 million seems like it may cover a fraction of the product development costs for Ford Motor Co., (NYSE: F) General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM), or Chrysler LLC. of bringing this new type of vehicle to market. Toyota Motor Corp. (NYSE: TM) and Honda Motor Ltd. (NYSE: HMC) already are light years ahead of the U.S. automakers in alternative fuel vehicles and may reach the McCain milestones without a prize.
Whichever automaker lays claim to this prize -- if Congress ever approves it -- probably will seek loads of additional tax breaks for itself and for the people who buy the wonder car. For a guy who hates big government, McCain sure does not mind giving away taxpayers' money through a prize that will need to be administered through a large cumbersome bureaucracy.
Maybe the prize has something to do with his new "energy security" advertising campaign. Remember that automakers are having trouble keeping up with the surging demand for hybrid vehicles now because they are "unable to make enough batteries and other hybrid component systems to meet rising global demand," according to the Detroit Free Press. Why not give a prize for solving that problem?
The McCain plan, just like his call for a gas tax holiday, is just a stunt to distract voters from the Republican's sorry record on the environment.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
6-23-2008 @ 4:22PM
BOB said...
I already have an idea for a electric car that will go all week on a charge but, I got no response from Ford, GM, or Bill Gates?
6-23-2008 @ 4:22PM
Moneyball said...
Has that retard heard about the automotive X-prize? Why don't you just give the money to that competition....at least it has a decent reputation in the scientific community unlike McCain (who is hated by scientists almost as much as President Bush)
6-23-2008 @ 4:14PM
BOB said...
I ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA FOR A ELECTRIC CAR THAT WILL GO ALL WEEK ON A CHARGE, BUT I GOT NO RESPONSE FROM FORD, GM OR BILL GATES?
6-23-2008 @ 10:47PM
tom booty said...
During every election year,politicians will make promises on hot button topics ,as in this case fuel efficiency for vehicles. No need to get all huffy over McCain's chatter. We as Americans need to knuckle down,come up with what will offer us ,the quickest solutions for the short-term,and support long term solutions for the years to follow. Short-term ,are mandating that the Big-3 automakers produce hybrids for 25% of their output amount of cars and light trucks .ALternatively,we should look back on what they had in the early days in America. Why didn't they ever refine the use of the " steam-engines for big trucks,small ships? We have lots of water,it would burn cleanly to boot. Maybe this would be a sin,since it won't make the oil producers any money,Lord forbid that outcome . I am sure we could develop more high tech roads too ,to decrease wind shear,that allow cars to travel more efficiently; What are our well educated engineers doing these days in our quest for saving energy ? Let's hit the road gang !
6-24-2008 @ 8:43AM
Bird said...
If we'd have spent the trillion dollars and counting, counting, counting, counting... that we have wasted in Iraq on a bogus war and developed alternative sources of energy, we'd have been off oil by now and not still be funding the terrorist through their oil barron buddies. Of course bush's buddies share handsomely in that wealth so that is of course unacceptable. If we could go to the moon in 9 years from the time Kennedy said we would with the limited technology we had then (that was not easy folks. we had to hit a rock 1/4 million miles from us and both of us moving real fast, and then do it again to get back home!) we could easily be on hydrogen, solar or wind by now. Easily! Just a thought from a southern country boy.
While I am definately not a fundamentalist and I don't think that everything we do is going to send us to hell, I do find it quite interesting to see what has happened to our society since they took God out of the schools. There's no moral compass anymore. Everyone thinks their problems are caused by everyone else and fail to realize that most of our problems are caused by the one looking back at us in the mirror when we are combing our hair. And that's the color of the person causing most of our problems.
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6-23-2008 @ 11:01PM
rick said...
Whatever happened to the EHV-1 car from General Motors? For most people that have a daily commute, an Electric Car is the perfect solution. Thinking that Ethanol is a solution to our problems is for the seriously delusional...it is creating inflation and higher food prices, and is NOT going to lower the price of gas. Also, have the green thinkers looked into the amount of pollution created producing Ethanol? A friend of mine was in a related industry and said there are pollutants caused by the creation of Ethanol that they had to come up with new names for, and if you get it on your skin it takes close to a week to get it completely off. Also, think about all the acres that used to be planted with other types of crops that are now being planted in corn.....how do we make up that deficit??
6-23-2008 @ 11:41PM
Paul said...
It was obvious ten years ago to anybody paying attention that electric cars were the future. The big automakers and big oil were successful in buying themselves 10-15 years with their "the future is hydrogen" ruse and their "the batteries aren't ready" lie. Ask any early adopter of a 2000-2003 Toyota Rav4EV about the horrors of a battery that will "only" last 10 years and 150,000 miles with 100 mile range on the equivalent of $0.40 to $0.60 a gallon for gas. They cost $33,000 new (after $9,000 government subsidy) and are selling now with high mileage for up to double that. Yeah, too bad there is no market for a car like that.
The fact that politicians are piling on now is a really good thing. The fact that McCain in the past would not give a mention to electric cars and now he is touting them is great news. Does he deserve any credit? Hell no. But it does signal a policy shift in DC away from big oil. That is a big deal. If Obama attempts to one-up McCain, all the better. Let the Johnny-come-latelys duke it out to see who can move us away from big oil the fastest. That is a fight I want to watch.
6-24-2008 @ 8:05AM
jackerpak said...
Ok...why aren't we converting our gas engine to propane? Seems like Canada know what there doing, over 5000 stations for propane and all there commerical car and truck use it already, for year now. Engine run the same and even cleaner for the environment.....Can anyone answer this to me? Or does the government want us to use gas?
6-24-2008 @ 10:02AM
jpdr1100 said...
So much BS, so little time to address it.
There are plenty of propane conversion systems being offered right now. But I suspect you haven't seen the recent prices of propane/CNG. It's not very attractive. Why do you assume its a government conspiracy if you obviously haven't done your homework on system availability? And depending on the quality of th conversion, some propane gas emit more pollutants than their gasoline equivalent. Didn't want to hear that, did you?
GM's electric car was the EV-1, not EHV. It had limited appeal and limited range, due to the battery technology of the time.
As for Toyota and Honda being "light years" ahead? Hardly. They did get their hybrids to market early, and as such have basked in the green glow. But Toyota refused to do a plug-in hybrid until after GM announced it will bring the Volt to market, forcing Toyota's hand. And Honda used to offer three hybrids, now they sell only one. How's that for progress?
6-24-2008 @ 10:23AM
Paul said...
jackerpak,
Why do you want to tie yourself to any one fuel, and why do you want to be forced to drive to a "gas station" to get it? Electric cars are the ultimate flex-fuel vehicles. It doesn't matter what you use to generate the electricity, you can use it in an electric car. Coal, nuke, natural gas, ethanol, hydro, wind solar, etc, they all will work. Plus the electric grid is already in place and reaches almost everywhere. It's estimated that 25% of cars could switch to pure electric before any improvement in the electric grid would be required.
Why spend the time and money on a single fuel infrastructure (propane, hydrogen, etc), when we already have access to the electric grid almost everywhere?
To extend range off-grid, a small generator that runs on a variety of fuels (including propane) should be used, but that should be entirely secondary. The main drive should be electric.
6-24-2008 @ 2:26PM
Paul said...
Bob,
One of the big problems with electric cars that doesn't fit into the business model of the GMs of the world is that they work really, really well.
If you talk to the people that had the EV-1 or who now have the Toyota RAV4-EV, they will tell you that not only were/are the cars clean (no smells and leaking fluids in your garage, not even any brake dust, because of regenerative braking), but they were virtually maintenance free. No oil changes. No brake jobs. No dozens of moving parts sloshing in oil and transmission fluid to wear out and break down. No Thousands of high-power explosions a minute to generate corrosive gases and residue. No fancy mechanical schemes to convert the up and down power of a piston into the direction you want your driveshaft and wheels to turn. Just a simple electric motor that is already turning the direction you want it to go.
A huge after-market in maintenance and repair dries up with electric cars. Car companies make a lot of money from that market. That is one huge reason why they have been in no hurry to move towards electric vehicles.
6-24-2008 @ 3:23PM
Frank said...
I have the solution to the problem regarding the battery pack.....
6-24-2008 @ 3:42PM
Clive Evrall said...
People might be interested to know that the English firm of Smith's Electric Vehicles (partof the Tanfield Group) are already producing electrically powered commercial vehicles varying from Ford Transit bodied vans up to 12 ton lorries. They have plans to introduce these into the American market shortly. Range is reputed to be up to about 130 miles. They also are developing electric taxis.
Not very suitable for cross country journeys admittedly, but highly useful for in - city local deliveries using off-peak electricity to re-charge during the night.
I must declare an interest as a small shareholder.
Clive Evrall
6-25-2008 @ 7:17AM
Michael Manicone said...
The electric car, the steam car, were tried in the early 20th century. Rather than continue their development, Americans chose to buy the gas powered cars which are the problem we face. The alternative fuels for today's cars are far away from being as efficient as the electrics and steamers were years ago. Ethanol works great at at the Indy 500, because all the cars are supercharged to get the maximum speed from an inferior fuel. Hydrogen is going to be extremely costly because a supply chain will take years to develop. My feeling is we should look into the steamers which could get great mileage on kerosene or ethanol, and of course, water.
6-25-2008 @ 11:54AM
jpdr1100 said...
McCain needs votes from Michigan. After he told them the truth about their future a few months ago, he is now trying to kiss and make up with this $300 mil gift.
I used to like McCain, but now feel he has sold too much of his soul in the attempt to win this race.
6-28-2008 @ 11:35PM
DS said...
If John McCain is talking about a product that will change the automotive world the same way Gates changed the communication world then 300 million will be a nominal amount for this new battery.
6-30-2008 @ 8:06AM
walt said...
Well, I hope this isn't another of my ideas that comes to pass without recieving any of the credit. So what we have are thousands of gas stations with huge underground tanks holding gasoline. And we have this antiquated idea of recharging electric cars. Gee whiz folks, why do i need to plug the car in? Why can't I just plug the battery in? You know, like with the toy my kid has. We already have the technology to make a battery last 3-4 hours don't we...and how many hours do we drive on a tank of gas...can't we connect the dots...I envision huge expanses of uninhabitable desert wasteland, with either or both solar and windmill apperatus charging batteries. You pull into you "battery station" and the attendant, completely automated attendant pops out the old one, plugs in the new one. Just like a typical 9 volt in my kids toy...ya wanna go a little further? madate that by, say 2020 all vehicles made of steel are off our roads. Styrofoam, with small electric motors control steering and brakes...the savings in insurance claims alone would pay to have those antiques taken off the road. Heck, and cheap. You wouldn't need to own one, they'd be parked and left wherever. Just take one that fits your need that day...a two seater, pick-up...whatever. As for body style, these foam shapes could be whatever you want...everyone could be driving a porche. A coat of spray on plastic... We could play bumper cars...for real. Drunk driving laws could be abolished Tell me one other thing, please. Why when the speed limit in this country is 75 mph, are we allowed to market cars that go 180 mph? Between the DUI's and speeders, just think of all the smokies we could put out of work. All the lawyers, proscecutors, traffic court judges, correction officers..oh my gosh, I guess i answered my own question. I'm still working on the tire industry....No, the business of government is business, not the people, not solutions, MONEY.
6-30-2008 @ 10:49AM
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7-09-2008 @ 3:46PM
maurice lively said...
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7-09-2008 @ 10:11AM
Jacque Denise Yap said...
well electric car is good so that might lessen our problem in global warming and soaring oil prices but should he and Obama take the housing market crisis as their priority since it is the major issue in the upcoming US Presidential Election and has a significant impact for all Americans where Obama and McCain talk about in http://pollclash.com .just like soaring oil prices are affecting the costs of everything from food to gas and even houses rental. There are also significant issues on local and global environmental impact. While there are many issues, we need to look at our next leader and determine which will have the best course of action going forward. Both candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama are attempting to address the issue and differentiate their positions from one another. And I think that everyone is missing the point of this. We need a new resource. We need a solution to this problem not another way around it…