TheStreet.com's Jim Cramer says without the Paulson plan, every component is in trouble. Let's take a look. Without the Paulson plan, or if the plan is so watered down and delayed, I have been saying all bets are off and we could be in for a huge swoon. How huge?
I like to sit down and noodle on the actual components of the Dow Jones Industrial Average to give you a real sense of what can go wrong. And there is so much going wrong. The credit markets are vanishing, the earnings are vanishing and the only hope is a plan that ignites credit markets, forces money off the sidelines and gets this economy and the worldwide economy moving again.
Not long ago, I postulated that this market is literally repealing all of the moves since the Brazil-Russia-India-China emergence that gave us better markets to sell into than just the U.S. With the collapse of Chinese growth -- they have simply ceased to be importers since the summer -- the inflation in India, the war in Russia and a U.S.-led slowdown in Brazil (although that remains a robust market) BRIC is more like having a brick around your neck than a wind at your back.
Meanwhile, the peak in energy and the collapse of the financial system have left both of those groups in disarray with valuations simply too difficult to pin down, so you retreat to worst-case scenarios where you can at least find some terra firma -- mainly where stocks were last time things were this bad.
Given that most of these companies bought back stock at high prices and issued stock to executives, the actual value of the buybacks seems almost nonexistent, so the value that was created since those hard times is hard to see.
Finally, in a recession like we are having, one can only guess how badly the consumer will be scalded. This list of prices is about a scalded consumer.
I don't want to bury the punchline, but when you add these worst-case prices together you get Dow Jones 8378, which, reluctantly, I admit is where we are going if everything fails with the plan and the economies here and worldwide are left to their own devices.
Let's run through the Dow 30.
1. Caterpillar (NYSE: CAT) (Cramer's Take) can retreat back to $43 where it started both before the housing boom and before the energy boom and before BRIC became a dominant force. All of its markets will be challenged with housing downturns worldwide and energy prices retreating from highs, something that I think will happen as economies slow.
2. Citigroup (NYSE: C) (Cramer's Take) -- $14. This is where it traded before the short-selling rules were created on July 15, and this is where it is going without a financing and a big investment. It might not stop there if there is no relief at all. I am really bearish on this stock without a plan.
3. Du Pont (NYSE: DD) (Cramer's Take) has a lot of businesses that are less cyclical than people think and a safe dividend. I would be surprised if it went much below $40, where I would like to buy it.
4. American Express (NYSE: AXP) (Cramer's Take) has turned into a terrible lender with a product that is viewed as something that is no longer indispensable, courtesy of great marketing by MasterCard (NYSE: MA) (Cramer's Take) and Visa (NYSE: V) (Cramer's Take). This stock's headed to $31, maybe lower, as it is really a weak sister in the Dow now.
5. Disney (NYSE: DIS) (Cramer's Take) traded at $25 when people thought there was nothing to it other than a declining advertising business and an expensive group of theme parks. This is a company I will buy for Action Alerts PLUS if it hits that downside target.
6. United Technologies (UTX) (Cramer's Take) is a BRIC derivative for certain with too much aerospace and a defense business that could be hurt by an Obama election. Knock it back to $51, which would be a repeal of the whole BRIC move.
7. Coca-Cola (NYSE: KO) (Cramer's Take) talked recently about how it is not immune from a retail sales slowdown; when it did, the stock retreated to about $48, where it would surely be headed again.
8. 3M (NYSE: MMM) (Cramer's Take) is a play on worldwide growth in a number of industrial areas, and worldwide growth is on the decline beyond what this fine firm is ready for. It could have a huge decline in earnings, and I am putting it at $50.
9. General Motors (NYSE: GM) (Cramer's Take), without a plan and without a handle on Delphi and on the right kind of cars, will burn through the bailout money quickly and disappear. Yes, it goes bankrupt. Stocks don't get down to where they are like this one if something hasn't become out of control. This one's out of control.
10. General Electric (NYSE: GE) (Cramer's Take) -- I think it could trade down to $20. The decision to end the buyback, which was just wasting a gigantic amount of money, is now behind them, so all it would have to contend with is lower earnings and a less turbo-charged report.
11. McDonald's (NYSE: MCD) (Cramer's Take): This one's going to suffer for pennies by a stronger dollar, but not much more, and it just boosted the dividend. I think it would be a gift below $57.
12. Home Depot (NYSE: HD) (Cramer's Take) retreats to where it was on that July 15 low, $21, where it finds buyers for that dividend.
13. Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) (Cramer's Take): With the plan, this is the biggest winner in the Dow. Without the plan? Sorry, it revisits the low of July 15 as it has to get rid of these bad mortgages it is stocked with. Target is $18.
14. Chevron (NYSE: CVX) (Cramer's Take): This is a slow-growth company with decent oil assets that would quickly go down to where its dividend made it compelling. Call it $54 as in a falling-oil environment -- perhaps down to $70. You will see price/earnings shrinkage continuing.
15. Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) (Cramer's Take): This company's acquisition of EDS is going to work and help numbers for years, but the stock will still have to revisit at least its recent lows on fears of a worldwide tech slowdown; call it $41.
16. JPMorgan (NYSE: JPM) (Cramer's Take): This company keeps doing everything right, but the plan would make this the best bank on earth other than Bank of America. Without the plan, it goes to its July 15 low of $31.
17. Pfizer (NYSE: PFE) (Cramer's Take): Here's a company that can only make more money by firing people, which is a good strategy until you run out of people. Still, the dividend is safe for at least another two years, so I think the stock stays at $18.
18. Kraft (NYSE: KFT) (Cramer's Take): A food company that is getting better run is nothing to rave about, but this new addition to the Dow sure beats the disastrous run AIG (NYSE: AIG) (Cramer's Take) has had. I think it can drop a couple to $30 but not go much below that because it is so defensive.
19. Alcoa (NYSE: AA) (Cramer's Take) is a great mystery. During the great 21st-century commodity boom that saw Phelps Dodge and Alcan disappear, this homely little aluminum company has done nothing! Now it is free to go to $19, as the boom is totally over.
20. Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) (Cramer's Take) is a super stock. Well managed, great earnings, good pipeline, I think it goes up a couple from here.
21. Boeing (NYSE: BA) (Cramer's Take): Here's one that could get cut in half if the strike doesn't settle and the airlines around the world contract. It could go as low as $24. It's one of the most vulnerable stocks in the Dow because of its clients' stress and voracious need for hard-to-get capital.
22. Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) (Cramer's Take) retreats back to where it was during the last tech recession -- $13. Think of it this way: It bought back a lot of stock. That money was wasted.
23. AT&T (NYSE: T) (Cramer's Take) faces landline challenges and corporate weakness. In a disaster scenario, it could lose a third of its value. Call it $21. I only say that because look at what the competition, outfits like Qwest (NYSE: Q) (Cramer's Take) and Winstar are selling for with slackened to no growth. Bad geographies. At the bottom, there will be a lot of fretting about the dividend.
24. Verizon (NYSE: VZ) (Cramer's Take) needs more phone lines, more frivolous texters and photo-senders and a heck of a lot of clients for FiOS. None is likely to happen in this environment. I could see the stock retreat back to $26. It didn't help that they bought Alltel ... for now. Same dividend worries as above.
25. Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) (Cramer's Take) is like Intel. Bought back a lot of stock. Nothing to show for it, and it now goes to $21.
26. Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT) (Cramer's Take) either stays the same or goes up, because that's where everyone will shop -- they'll all be trading down in retail.
27. Merck (NYSE: MRK) (Cramer's Take) is pretty much where it is going to go. It's a challenged company with safe yield. $31.
28. IBM (NYSE: IBM) (Cramer's Take) could be facing a huge headwind of global recession, and I think that its business is far more economically sensitive than people realize. It could lose as much as 50 points -- it used to be that low for a long time -- sending it to $60. This and Boeing are probably the two most severe cuts, and the ones I am most likely going to be too pessimistic about if things get a little better.
29. Procter (NYSE: PG) (Cramer's Take) stays at $68 or goes a little lower, not much. The company is set up to win in this environment.
30. Exxon (NYSE: XOM) (Cramer's Take): If you repeal the whole oil boom, which is what will happen in a worldwide recession or worse, Exxon's failed buyback strategy will be revealed for what it was: a giant money pit. The stock could retreat to $57, as it has minimal dividend support.
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RELATED LINKS:
Cramer: Dow's Most Bearish Scenario
Bailout Talks Break Down
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Jim Cramer is a director and co-founder of TheStreet.com. He contributes daily market commentary for TheStreet.com's sites and serves as an adviser to the company's CEO. At the time of publication, Cramer was long GE, Wal-Mart, Procter & Gamble, JPMorgan and Hewlett-Packard.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
9-26-2008 @ 9:40AM
bbob said...
all you little people get out now while u still can......and have something left.. you are being raped by the big funds
9-26-2008 @ 9:58AM
nick said...
What is the boy who carrys the water for the CEO of GE doing today, he could get his cronies together and have them bail out these bad loans that they were involved with and made millions.
9-26-2008 @ 10:01AM
Betsy said...
Last month I commented to my husband that I'd get back in the stock market when the Dow goes down to 8000. Then he reminded me that it wasn't that long ago when it was in the 800s (the early 1980's). So maybe I'll compromise and jump back in when the Dow goes to 4000?
9-26-2008 @ 10:04AM
ynot said...
Hey Jimbo, There are a few good things that would come out of this if the market goes to 8,000. First, the market would actually be valued at what it should be and it can get back to fundamentals of a free market, not your bull, government controlled socialist market you prefer. 2nd, It would actually make America stronger, maybe not financially at first of course, but in the long run where we have time to better the way things run in this country and our markets. Pissed off Americans are at their best. 3rd, and most importantly, we will not have the government throwing away our tax money at this mess while our retirement savings still get hammered anyway. So far, after every bailout, my 401-k continues to drop. So who is benefitting from your way of doing things? Not the middle class and poor, thats for sure. 4th, maybe that would get you to change that awful picture of you, where it looks like your about to crawl out of my computer screen, thats more scary than Dow 8,000!!!
9-26-2008 @ 11:14AM
eehy said...
lol,,,lol,,,you mean the doh!!!,,,,doh!!!!
9-26-2008 @ 10:09AM
beachpaul said...
Those of us who were prudent throughout the inflated real estate, stock market, and auto insanity of the last five years would like to cash in now. We, like Mr.Buffet are flush, on a much smaller level of course. You had to know this was coming. The 8,000 Dow is when I intend to buy intensely for my future retirement. Fools and money only date, seldom do they marry. Apartments in Manhattan should be realistic soon. I can't wait to purchase one
9-26-2008 @ 10:20AM
Greg said...
First of all, Mr. Cramer is a big money guy and of course will support the bail out so his shares do not sink as well. Let's assume that Wal-mart, GE, HP and the rest slip. So what. What will happen is that the big investors will lose ground, but the little guy, middle class and below will reap huge because those entitites will be forced to drop inflated prices and bring profit margins back to reality. Jim, give us some insight into the profit margins that have been taken over the last ten years. We will soon see that the greed factor is running on high as well as the big paychecks for those who support it. Reel in the market and profits and the average Joe will again support the America once know for having a chance.
9-26-2008 @ 10:26AM
jerry said...
Mr. Cramer....
Run For President
9-26-2008 @ 10:27AM
gtttrades said...
Anytime the Bush administration tries to railroad something thru Congress, garanteed it's bad for America.
9-26-2008 @ 10:35AM
Joe said...
Don't worry Jim, the exchange will do what it always does with poor dow component stocks. It removes them from the average and inserts an up-and-comer.
That's why it always goes up. It's a gimmicked index.
9-26-2008 @ 10:39AM
Joe said...
OOH OOH WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR WHO? BOY GEORGE'S BUDDIES THE CEO'S!!
9-26-2008 @ 10:41AM
JEFFREY TOBIAS said...
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9-26-2008 @ 10:52AM
paul leone said...
J. KRAMER IS PURE B.S.. THE MARKET WAS 4,000 TO 8,000 FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS I.E. 1950 TO 1975, AND SOME. ONCE THE AVERAGE U.S. "CONSUMING BOOB" GOT A HOLD OF THE CREDIT CARD, WE HAVE NOW SEEN THE RESULTS OF AN ECONOMY BASED ON BEGGERS BUYING THINGS WITHOUT HAVING CASH IN THEIR POCKETS. THIS WAS A WORKABLE CONCEPT EARLY ON,TO GET THE COUNTRY GOING AFTER WW2, BUT CREDIT BUYING HAS GONE OVER THE CLIFF, BECAUSE SALIVATING BUYING JERKS HAVE TO "HAVE IT", WHATEVER THEIR SMALL MINDS CAN DESIRE, "RIGHT NOW"!!! JUST LOOK AT THE WAY THEY DRIVE!!!
9-26-2008 @ 10:45AM
cbbarker said...
The only way middle America will buy in on the "bailout" is if some fat cat blood flows - we need to see some severed heads,occupied Armini suits on fire, men & women with manicured hands selling apples and pencils and hear some MBA's loudly proclaiming, "I was greedy and I am sorry!"
9-26-2008 @ 10:52AM
gtttrades said...
Betsy said...
Last month I commented to my husband that I'd get back in the stock market when the Dow goes down to 8000. Then he reminded me that it wasn't that long ago when it was in the 800s (the early 1980's). So maybe I'll compromise and jump back in when the Dow goes to 4000?
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If that is your true stockmarket strategy,then you don't have a woor in the world. You won't get in at 4000 or 8000.
9-26-2008 @ 11:19AM
nick said...
If this would get the stockholders to fire the CEO of GE, I'm all for it. I want to see these hedge fund guys and the rumor folks and the CEO'S who raped their companys put in jail and have their millions given back to the stockholders and have alot of these board of directors also fined and jailed.
10-01-2008 @ 12:31PM
fire said...
if they vote yes for the bailout dont vote them back into office its all about money the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer i think it bull let a middle class person get president or a poor person and lets see who gets taxed
9-26-2008 @ 12:20PM
bill said...
who is going to bail me out for the bad investments that i have made/ no body, why should we bailout the ceo's that make millions
olso i would like to know what the government is going to do if china shows up in washington and demands their money back. willthe chinese take over the us.
9-26-2008 @ 5:41PM
Chris - NY said...
Simple finance people..just think simple
Principal x Rate x Term
Buy the bad mortgages from the banks, refinance with 50/100 year terms and hight interest rates...effect = much lower payments, add a Call feature to refinance 10 years down the road into a normal 30 or 20 year loan and repackage the securities selling to investors who will now be willing to invest in CDO's generating a profit for the taxpayer..
Regulations on suitability for mortgage loans, and structuring regulations must be applied...
What do we have? Open credit markets, happy home owners, taxpayer profits...buying CDO's and fixing them up will certainly be complex but it can be done..
9-26-2008 @ 1:04PM
Ronald Kangas said...
The executives of all these corporations that now need the tax payers to be responsible for this bailout paid themselves millions of dollars salary and stock options a year and now that their companies are in trouble want the tax payer to bail them out. The CEO of merril Lynch was paid 87 million last year and with all the tax breaks the Republicans voted for the wealthy proably kept 80 million after taxes. Every person in the us would be responsible for $2,333 of this debt. What has bush gotten America into. A war we can't win and now this crisis.