It was fun watching, as an NPR correspondent said last night, Joe the Plumber becoming a third man in the Presidential debates last night. I didn't realize (as I missed the first few minutes) that Joe is actually a real man -- Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, of Toledo, Ohio.Unfortunately, he's not really a plumber (though initial reports of him not being registered to vote are untrue; the registrar has his name spelled incorrectly). The Toledo Blade investigated and discovered that he's not licensed or registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio. As small businessmen and homeowners everywhere [update: everywhere I've been a homeowner, and in Toledo where Joe lives, evidently not true everywhere] know, each plumber, electrician and other specialty contractors must be licensed under their own name in their locality, with most areas requiring plumbers and electricians to go through union-approved apprenticeship programs. The only exception to this rule [in Toledo and many localities, like Portland, Oregon] is if you are a homeowner doing your own work; technically, I'm not even allowed to have my dad, a licensed general contractor, work on the plumbing and electricity in my home (he's a stickler for the rules so he had my husband do the work under his counsel). Joe says he does plumbing work under someone else's license; though this is, of course, against local statutes.
So, though he does (with questionable legality) do plumbing work under W. Newell Corp.'s license, he's definitely not a plumber. Joe the unwitting victim of a debater's technique? Joe the regular guy working unethically to feed his family? Joe the symbol of our economy: Thousands of guys pretending they don't understand the rules so they can make a great living (Joe's hypothetical revenue -- not his real income -- was $250,000 a year), and getting away with it.
Reminds me of a couple hundred corporate executives in the news these days.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 4)
10-18-2008 @ 6:34PM
Victor said...
Sure lets make an issue of Joe the plumber. Forget the 15 million pieces of shit working here illegally and recieving, housing, food stamps, their kids getting educated, free health care in the emergency rooms, and they pay no insurances or taxes. We should start there. At least Joe the plumber belongs here
10-19-2008 @ 8:58AM
tmak said...
What do the reader think about Joe the Plumbers Economic Plan?
“America’s Self Preservation Plan”
By Joe the Plumber
As our government meets with congress to develop a “Financial Rescue Package” for our economy and Obama talks about raising our taxes, let me make it quick and easy for them by giving them what I feel is the Plumbers Plan.
America’s Self Preservation Plan
This Plan is so easy and I guarantee it will end our recession quickly, boost the economy, increase the world value of the US dollar, significantly reduce global warming and the US carbon footprint, eliminate our dependency on foreign fossil fuels, create jobs, reduce wars saving lives, reduce hunger, keep US wealth in America, and make history and all of this by 9-11-2011.
You may be saying to yourself, this is not possible; no simple plumber can ever come up with a plan which achieves all of these great things while congress is stagnated, it would be too good to be true and difficult to implement!
Well, you are all wrong, this plan is so easy and simple, it can be achieved by the American people making only one decision in their life, without spending a dime, with little effort, in fact, it will probably save you money for you.
Believe me this plan is fool proof or I will never snake a toilet again.
How can this be done? Well here is my simple plan in one sentence
1. Park your gas vehicle for good and purchase a compressed air car within the next year or at least put one on order, it will not cost you a dime more than your spending now, it basically will be free. (Read on this plan will make total sense soon, I promises or I will quite the plumbers union.)
How can this be the whole plan? Simple, these cars will be for sale in the US beginning in 2009. These cars will cost approximately $16,000.00 but, as I said, it will not cost you a dime more than you’re paying not for transportation. You will pay for this car over the next 3 years with the extra money you will save ($200 to $400/month) by not fueling your gasoline powered vehicle. Compressed air cars can travel up to 90 mph and approximately 125 miles on a $2.00 tank of compressed air. (Google search compressed air cars for more details on this technology), but I am not here to promote any particular car manufacturer, I am here to explain how my simple economic plan if fool proof.
If we all purchase ( again, no real cost purchase) these cars at the same time this out cry of the American people will force the government into providing tax breaks and credits, incentives and low interest financing. (Did I say tax credit Mr. Obama?) Banks and car manufacturers will look at these loans as safe investment and will easily grant them to the consumers but in won’t really matter to us because these cars are fairly inexpensive and will not cost you any more out of pocket money then you are currently sending fueling your gas vehicle. In fact, most people will save money and be driving a new environmentally friendly, green vehicle for free.
With the extra money in our pocket, the consumers can purchase a small compressed air refueling system for their home from their local compressed gas/propane Plumber. You can also just plug in your vehicle over night and it will recharge by it self. Gas stations may not cooperate with the transition of their tanks and pumps from gasoline to compressed air so the government may need to aid in pushing through simple regulation for compressed air home refueling systems along with financing and incentives for localized compressed air refueling stations to speed up the process.
That’s it! “The America’s Self Preservation Plan”, how easy was that? A plumber figured it out!
Now you’re asking yourself, how will this no cost purchase of these cars by the American people achieve all of the great things I stated in my opening paragraph?
Easy and here is how it wills all falls into place!
1. The end of our recession and a boost for the economy: most car driving American families I know are spending between $50 to $100 dollars a week in gas refueling, minimum. This equates to $200 to $400 dollars for gas minimum per month. This money is substantial and in not going into the American economy. Most of the money is going overseas making a few people very wealthy. These very wealthy people have too much money with little needs, they do not live in the US and therefore they are not putting it back into the American economy. If consumers, instead of rich oil lords, are saving this money and putting it into the American economy it will result in a proven continuous stimulus package. Consumers will spend the extra money on home purchases, renovations, electronics, cars, vacations, air travel, investments, cure cancer, heart disease more plumbing supplies etc. Most importantly the cost of oil per barrel will begin to plunge drastically to compensate for the surplus in world oil, reducing gas prices at our pumps. The reduction of gas prices will further help the economy and aid in the transition phase to total compressed air transportation. Other technologies such as generators and heating system boilers etc will emerge from the compressed air technology reducing oil dependencies further.
2. Increased value of the US dollar: Once the US starts climbing out of the recession and the price of oil per barrel starts to fall the value of the US dollar will increase, basic economics. Quality of life will be better; as US citizen can then return to traveling once more out side of the country.
3. Reduced global warming and US carbon footprint: These cars have zero emissions! The US consumes the majority of the world fossil fuels resulting in significant US pollution and emissions. I understand that you need to consume fossil fuels to produce compressed air but this type of generation produces far less emissions and can be regulated easier. Power to manufacture compressed air can also be produced by alternate energies such as nuclear, coal, hydro-electric, solar, fuel cells, cogeneration, wind generation, bio plant, wave generation etc, all American made self supported technologies. Let’s not forget the reduction of oil spill risk and disasters which involve costly environmental clean up, reduced off shore drilling and terrible affects oil spills have on habitats. By the way, does anyone really know what the effect of removing all of this oil from the ground is doing to our planet? What about the energy saving resulting from not having to pump the oil from the fields, transferring of oil to gas stations buy trucks and tankers etc?
4. Eliminate our dependency on foreign fossil fuels: If the majority of us purchase compressed air cars this will force all US car manufacturers to get into this arena and other transportation vehicles such as trucks boats etc will soon follow eventually eliminating the need for foreign fossil fuel dependency.
5. Create jobs: Compressed air home or centralized refueling stations will need to be installed, plumbed and built, all US car manufacturers will need to get hire labor and get into production of compressed air vehicles very quickly. Why do you think American’s buy foreign cars? It’s because they get better gas mileage and the vehicles are more dependable! Well, all compressed cars will get great MPG’s and the US car manufacturers will be forced into producing a dependable engine and vehicle. I was in the manufacturing field for many years and I know these cars can be produced within a short period to time.
6. Reduce wars and save lives: If you think 9-11-2001 and our current crisis in the Middle East is not because of oil terrorism you have been living under a rock. Our young men are being killed and permanently damaged because we are dependant upon oil.
7. Reduce Hunger: Corn field and oil fields used for energy can be farmed to produce more food for the hungry. There are hundreds of thousands of acres of land not producing food, why. The Government can offer more farm-aid for this transition.
8. Keep US wealth in America. Yes we have witnessed history in the making twice in less then 10 years. 9-11-2001 and 2008, right now. For those of you who are not aware of the situation, US wealth is exiting our shores faster then it has ever done before in our history. Many wealthy people, investors etc are leaving the country to protect their $$ investments due to high taxes, low dollar value etc. This combined with the high foreign oil prices is resulting in our countries wealth exiting our boarders at a rate never seen before in history. Yes, if you have not figured it out oil controls our economy and foreign oil lords are in the driving seat, pretty frightening.
I hope I made all of you a believer in my plan, its fool proof. I am not a politician, lobbyist; writer, I am not associated with compressed air car manufacturers. I am a plumber by profession. I am married with a family, an American concerned with all of the current issues which face us today in the US. My father and grandfathers fought and died for this country. My family has worked in the plumbing industry and was part of the “Great Industrial Revolution” which built this country and put us on top as a world power. Our generation is now in control of this country and it is our turn to make History with this simple plan.
I can say one thing for what it’s worth; I guarantee this plan will work, with no new taxes Obama, but it will take all of us to believe. If we fight together the results will be real with little to no effort or financial burden to all of us Americans. If we do our part in purchasing these types of vehicles this year the rest will fall into place I guarantee it.
I said my plan will take approximately 3 year to be fully implemented although results will be seen almost immediately.
Let’s set a date to be oil independent, it is appropriate to set it for 9-11-2011 on the 10th anniversary of a historic tragedy. This day will go down in History as “Oil Independence Day”, the day the American people fought back and achieved independent from foreign oil and tool back control of our country and economy. We should do this for our children’s future and in honor and memory of all of the victims of oil related wars and terrorism.
Thank you for your time.
“American’s Self Preservation Plan.”
God Bless the American Plumbing Union
Joe the Plumber
End
10-19-2008 @ 2:48PM
ken arnold said...
This article is 100% BullSh**. It is 100% legal to work under someone elses license. It's called being an employee. You Do Not have to be certified or licenced to work for a plumber. I have worked as an electrician for 11 years without being licensed or certified and it is perfectly legal. I know everything I need to know to call myelf an electrician. I assume that after 15yrs Joe can call himself a plumber. He never said he owned a business. He said he was going to buy one. Whoever wrote this article should get off of Obama's bird and do better research.
10-19-2008 @ 9:06PM
Michael said...
So what is a Plumer? someone with a license? or someone who works on pipes?
In this case who realy gives a %#$%$. Since this Joe the Plumer is the brother of Joe Six Pack and the son of Joe blow. In the end done of this matters. What matters is that he asked Obama a question and now he's got all these problems. Tells a lot about where this country is headed. "Right into the Toilet"
10-20-2008 @ 5:49PM
Dwayne said...
Typical article for the AOL "Elect - Obama and pay for the privilege" ISP. Nice try at a distraction from the real issue: OBAMA'S ANSWER! Who cares about Joe, his taxes, his licenses or why Obama stopped to bother him while Joe was tossing a football in his front yard with his son. Joe didn't ask for all this, OBAMA did, and it is OBAMA'S ANSWER, you idiot, that is the issue. Stop the Nazi smear campaign and either get out of politics (please) or at least focus on the real issue, which in poor Joe's case was OBAMA'S ANSWER.
10-21-2008 @ 11:05AM
Tom said...
You name callers - all the man did was ask a question, and you didn't like the answer because it revealed the true Obama, so you trash the person who asked it. Suzanne: You call Joe Sleezy? Look in the mirror. Sickened Dem: you're ready to put Joe in jail? Sarah Gilbert: apparently another media political hack in the tank for Obama. Look, partisans - if Obama wins fairly, he is my president too. But if you lie (MSNBC) and cheat (Acorn) and distort facts (NY Times), then his presidency is tainted and shame on you.
10-21-2008 @ 11:50AM
Charles said...
We really do not care about whether Joe the Plumber has a license, has not paid his taxes, etc. McCain has used Joe to make 2 attacks against Obama. First attack is that Obama wants to redistribute wealth via taxes. But ALL taxes redistribute wealth and McCain also wants to redistribute wealth. Obama wants to redistribute wealth from rich to middle class and working poor. McCain wants to redistribute wealth from middle class and working poor to the rich via tax cuts and bailouts. Obama's plan is similar to Bill Clinton's from the 1990's and Clinton left us a great economy, a balanced budget and a 559 billion dollar surplus. SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton McCain's plan is not much different than the one we have had under Bush for 8 years.
10-21-2008 @ 11:52AM
Chuck said...
McCain's second line of attack is based on Joe the Plumber's ignorance of the tax code. Joe admits with his present income he will do better under Obama than McCain because he makes less than $250,000 per year. But Joe claims he wants to buy a plumbing business and fears Obama's tax plan would prevent him from buying the business. Joe cannot explain how or why that would be the case. Taxes are on profits not revenues, so unless the business is making over $250,000 a year in profits Joe's taxes would go down. If the business is making over $250,000 per year in profits Joe's taxes could go up but may not from 36% (now) to 39% (under Obama). But Joe would get tax credits if he creates jobs under Obama so his taxes may actually be less. This whole debate over Joe is phony
10-21-2008 @ 3:43PM
Craig said...
Here we go again, where is the truth squad on every piece of trash put out by Osama.
Let me understand Joe worked for a plumber a company that he was interested in purchasing, right now he needs no license!!!!!!!
America read my lips - Obama + Biden + Reed + Pelosa = the USS of R in 8 years. This man agrees with Hugo Chavezs rhetoric more than he belives in America
10-21-2008 @ 11:13PM
Harley said...
Im a liscensed general contractor class a, means I need to know what I"m doing, which means I have to be tested to prove I know what I"m doing. Too many times Ive been called by homeowners to re-do the work that un- liscensed person,had done, sub- standard, shoddy work.
You wouldnt want an un-liscensed doctor operating on you would you or a lawyer representing you. Thats why you have to be tested. Joes a fake,one reason he doesnt want all the media attention.
Im sure the people he did work for thought he was.
10-22-2008 @ 3:21AM
fredricwilliams said...
Joe should stand as a warning to every American. Don't talk to politicians -- it will only get you in trouble.
10-22-2008 @ 11:34AM
miss betty said...
I believe as usual you are telling something in favor of the Democrats. Do you not think that a man can work for a plumbing company and not be licensed?? If all of them had their license, they would probably go into business for themselves.
What a bunch of crap all you so-called writers are.
I have a 19 yr old granddaughter who could do much better, but she would insist on telling the truth and not sell her soul for a byline. Go away.
Look what is happening to the national so called media, a loss of nearly three million viewers, better known as consumers: tired of watching and reading something someone else wants you to think, instead of allowing you the priviledge of doing for yourself. You better be careful, you may be the one who always has to write what he is told. Or has that already happened. Joe the plumber is actually a pretty intelligent, did you see him on TV? More than I can say for you.
10-25-2008 @ 1:20PM
Donald said...
I think the point we are missing with Joe is here is a party that claims to be our ethical leaders taking the low road in using Joe as their roll model. He failed to pay back taxes and has a lein on his home. He has worked in a field for which he does not have a license and he did not even have the nerve to state his real name when he asked his questions. these are the kind of around the back moves that the current admin is famous for .I once no only supported John Mc Cain but donated money to his camp fund well I can tell you those days are over and it's time for a change .
10-24-2008 @ 7:57PM
Stlboxmaker said...
Look at tonights polls and you will see Joe might just be the take down of Obama.
10-26-2008 @ 12:53PM
felixd said...
Let us not forget why this is still in the news > ALL HE DID WAS ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION . Now they are telling us all to only ask the questions they want to answer or this will happen to you to.
10-26-2008 @ 12:55PM
felixd said...
Don what you are failing to see is it isn't about party's.It is about freedom of speech.
10-26-2008 @ 9:08PM
JSS said...
It's pretty sick that all you liberals need to attack a normal gu y JUST BECAUSE HE ASKED A QUESTION.
11-04-2008 @ 8:19PM
Joseph said...
Funny, in California's Socialistic Republic, you don't need a license to work as a plumber. You do if you are a Plumbing Contractor. So what is this BS that he needs a license in Ohio. In most states, anyone can work for a contractor.
Joseph
11-09-2008 @ 1:01PM
Bellixyz said...
who won the election ?? lolz yeah so i guess that lets us know something..and that is..change has come.....so argue till your face turn blue.....lolz now that you have "Obama as your president...like it or not..lolz....realize your folly......for truely you couldnt think that he would loose....this was truely a matter of ignorance verses intelligence......and intelligence won......so tell me..which side are you on.....lolz......i see all the ignorance.....it would be ashame for you to die that way...lolz it really would.......bye darkness of the world..hello light !!!!!!!!!!!
11-12-2008 @ 9:56PM
Arturo said...
To all the Obama supporters have a nice trip out of the frying pan and in to the fire. They think that Super Obama can fix everything but I see that they are doing things the same as before. Take money from the tax payers give it to big business. How about sending some of it back.