Warren Buffett has been pretty vocal about how bad the current downturn will be. The same holds true for billionaire money manager George Soros. He has even testified before Congress to make his concerns known.

Now, Eli Broad, one of the richest men in America, or anywhere else for that matter, says this is the worst economic period of his lifetime. Broad will be 80 soon.

Broad told Bloomberg,``This is worse than any recession we've had since World War II." He does not think the housing market will recover for years and sees a sharp rise in unemployment.

The "billionaire boys clubs" now seems to have formed a consensus, and almost all of it is based on the problems in the housing market. It home sales keep dropping, most of the equity people in the US have built over the last twenty years goes away. If some of these people lose jobs, defaults rise and the matter becomes worse.

You can bet against the very rich, but it is probably not a good idea. They did not become fabulously wealthy by being stupid.

Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com.

Ever wonder why conventional wisdom is so conventional? It's because it's the same people repeating it over and over.

The reason why this happens is mostly laziness. Reporters and TV producers call on the same people to render their opinions because they are the ones who return calls and show up when they are needed. I have done it myself so I know the drill well. Yes, Woody Allen's claim that 80% of success is showing up continues to be proven right. These people can be summed up in several categories: wisemen -- they almost always are male -- whose every utterance is treated as if it was etched in stone tablets by the almighty, and insta-pundits -- who are able to give quotes on every topic imaginable. Finally, there are the personal finance gurus whose message is that by helping me make money, I can help you save money.

Below are my choices for the most overexposed business pundits and media personalities. They are in no particular order.

Wisemen: Alan Greenspan -- Don't you miss the days when no one understood what the former Fed Chairman was talking about? Now, his message is pretty clear: buy my book and the subprime mortgage crisis was not my fault. Honorable mentions: former General Electric Co. (NYSE: GE) Chief Executive Jack Welch, billionaire George Soros, and oilman Boone Pickens.

Hedge Fund guru George Soros warned over the weekend, in an interview with The Daily Telegraph, that " the crude oil market had been significantly affected by speculation." Because of all the speculators driving the price of crude higher and higher, Soros went on to say, "Speculation... is increasingly affecting the price, the price has this parabolic shape which is characteristic of bubbles."

While I tend to disagree with Soros when he predicts that we are headed for a very deep recession, I do think that there isn't much justification to $130+ per barrel of crude. After all, the continuing cry of increasing demand falls short, when the big consumers of oil, are experiencing slower economic growth. After the Olympics, I wouldn't be surprised to see Chinese growth take a sharp fall as well, as many of the public works projects come to an end.

I think that potentially, we will see crude oil fall back to the $50-60 per barrel level.

Aaron Katsman is Senior Portfolio Manager of the Israel Growth Portfolio, of America Israel Investment Associates, LLC. and Senior Editor of IsraelNewsletter.com. DISCLOSURE: Writer's fund has no position in any stock mentioned, as of 5/27/08

Billionaire investor George Soros said speculators are playing a major role in oil's record price rise. He also argued that the sky-high $130 per barrel price looks like a bubble, The Daily Telegraph reported Tuesday.

Soros said "speculation . . . is increasingly affecting the price" and that oil now has "this parabolic shape which is characteristic of bubbles." However, he qualified his remarks by stating that the bubble would not burst "until both the U.S. and Britain were in recession, after which prices could fall dramatically."

Oil fell about $2 to $130.12 per barrel in mid-day Tuesday trading after data showed Americans are cutting back their gasoline consumption amid record-high gasoline prices approaching $4 per gallon in several regions of the country, Bloomberg News reported. U.S. gasoline consumption has fallen for about fourth straight months, on a year-over-year basis, according to U.S. Department of Energy data. Oil is up 100% in the past 12 months, and about 480% since 2002.

Alan Greenspan gives an interview about every two weeks, and headlines appear saying what he thinks the odds are of a recession in the US. His most recent opinion, as he makes his book tours and speaking engagements, is that America is facing a downturn, but it will not be as bad as it could have been.

According to the FT, The former chairman of the Federal Reserve said: "I still believe there is a greater than 50 per cent probability of recession." He believes that housing holds the key to how bad things will get.

Greenspan joins Warren Buffett and George Soros as the famous financiers who enjoying visiting regularly with the press about the economy. None of them need the exposure to make money, so being in the paper must just make them feel important.

At least Greenspan's view of how things are going is not as dark as those of his peers.

Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com.

Warren Buffett's concerns about how bad things are going to get in the U.S. has taken an unpleasant turn.

Speaking of the economy, Reuters quotes Buffett as saying, "But the people are already feeling the effects. It will be deeper and last longer than many think."

Buffett's name gets added to those of people like George Soros who have strong concerns about the next several quarters. The stock market is supporting their views. General Motors (NYSE: GM), General Electric (NYSE: GE), airlines, and many companies in the financial sector now trade at 52-week lows. The Fed has revised down its forecast for GDP. Many economists polled by Reuters see a bad year ahead.

The CEO of Dow Chemical (NYSE: DOW) recently stated that inflation and the credit crisis are causing significant changes in consumer behavior. Many of the factors that drove several years of grow in the economy are gone.

Buffett's views may be a little late, but the are, nonetheless, almost certainly true.

Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com.

In 1988, billionaire investor-speculator George Soros wrote a book called The Alchemy of Finance. The book was well-received as a book about the ups and downs of life as a trader, but Soros's theory of reflexivity -- which he believes should replace conventional economic thinking -- was largely ignored.

For the past 20 years, Soros has continued to bang the drum on reflexivity, and most people have continued to ignore him, with some economists expressing tremendous disdain for his ideas.

A USA Today profile of this brilliant investor and philanthropist manages to make him look pretty pathetic: " [...] George Soros, now in his eighth decade and enjoying a personal fortune estimated at $9 billion, yearns to be seen as something other than a financial oracle or Democratic Party sugar daddy. The Hungarian émigré, who built a worldwide reputation by out-thinking markets, desperately wants to be acknowledged as a philosopher."

With a new book out, The New Paradigm for Financial Markets: The Credit Crash of 2008 and What It Means, Soros is ever-hopeful that this time he will finally gain the recognition he deserves for the theory he believes to be his "life's work."

Having read a few of Mr. Soros's books, I doubt that his propensity for pontification will appeal to most readers. But the USA Today interview is definitely worth reading to get his thoughts on the current state of the market. He might be heckled as crazy and irrelevant, but I'm always interested in the market predictions of someone who made $9 billion making market predictions.

George Soros, the billionaire money manager, claims to be old and wise, and able to guess the market's turns better than most. Given the compensation he has collected on Wall Street over his lifetime, it is hard to quarrel with that.

Soros, who still manages several hedge funds, says that the U.S. is in a "bear market rally," according to The Wall Street Journal. Like many pundits, he stakes his claim primarily on the American housing market. If home prices keep up their sharp decline, how, he reasons, can the rest of the economy do well?

He may have a point. Much of what economists have said recently is based on a recession being avoided because consumer spending has slowed but not halted. People are still going to Wal-Mart (NYSE: WMT). Thank goodness for that.

But Soros and his intellectual allies look at a housing market that will continue to decline into 2009 and say that this must force a deeper and deeper downturn.

No one wants to believe Soros. The thought is too grim. But the logic is hard to dispute.

Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com and the author of the Ten Stocks Under $10 letter.

America touts itself as an egalitarian society. But the way we reward people suggests that while everyone has an equal chance to get rich, only about five people can make more than a billion in a year. The way these five people get there reveals what our society most values -- the ability to help people with huge amounts of money get much richer as quickly and consistently as possible.

Wednesday's New York Times listed those five most valuable players. Here are our society's biggest winners, where they work, how much they made in 2007, and how they won:

• John Paulson (Paulson & Co.) -- 2007 earnings: $3.7 billion. Beginning in 2005, Paulson made huge bets on the decline in value of securities backed by subprime mortgages
• George Soros (Soros Fund Management) -- 2007 earnings: $2.9 billion. Soros' $17 billion flagship Quantum Endowment fund racked up a 31.7% return in 2007, its best annual showing since the high-tech implosion at the start of this decade. Soros' $2.9 billion payday comes almost entirely from his personal stake in the fund (which he no longer manages). I don't know how he made that 31.7% return.
• James Simons (Renaissance Technology) -- 2007 earnings: $2.8 billion. Simons, a mathematician and former Defense Department code breaker, uses complex computer models to trade.

Billionaire investor George Soros said Thursday that the boom in commodities is still in a "growth phase" despite the fact that prices for oil, wheat, rice, and gold have risen to records in 2008, Bloomberg News reported Thursday.

Soros said the relative stock market slump, combined with favorable, long-commodities demand, has prompted institutions to direct money to commodities, creating a "commodity as asset class" phenomenon, Bloomberg News reported. He added that increasing institutional involvement was creating a generalized commodity bubble.

Relative shortages

Moreover, demand for selected commodities (oil, rice, wheat) is so great, it's creating relative shortages, Soros added, which is only heightening the return on equity potential of commodities, Bloomberg News reported.

It is hardly a surprise that a Wall Street Journal poll of economists finds them in a foul mood. Most believe that the financial troubles in the US will get much worse and that the housing market has yet to bottom.

According to the newspaper: "Three interrelated issues weighed on the economists' minds. When asked what the biggest downside risk to their forecast was, 35% said further deterioration in the credit markets, while 25% said it was a sharp drop in consumer spending and 13% said continued housing weakness."

The news raises the question of whether experts are "talking" the economy into a worse recession. Yesterday, George Soros said the current crisis could cost financial institutions almost $1 trillion worldwide. Just a few months ago, many experts thought the US would avoid a recession completely.

The question is a reasonable one. When the press and economists make repeated public comments on how bad things are does it causes consumers to buy less, worry more, and put more cash on the sideline?. No one knows, but given the psychology of fear no one should be surprised if the answer is "yes".

In a recession, fear feeds on fear and consumers can freeze their spending almost completely.

Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com.

Now that a number of banks and brokerages have taken large write-offs after assessments of the falling value of mortgage-backed and LBO debt, things are supposed to get better. Auditors have looked at the extent of the damage and the Fed is putting cash into the system to improve balance sheets.

But a lot of the smart money does not see it that way. The International Monetary Fund said that the total damage from the crisis will be $945 billion. That would mean that the housing market will get much worse along with defaults on corporate and consumer debt.

Now, in rides George Soros, iconic hedge-fund manager and a billionaire many times over. He says the credit crisis is only in its early stages. In a conversation with Bloomberg, he said, "This is a man-made crisis and it's made by this false belief that markets correct their own excesses. It will take much longer for the full effect of the decline in the housing market to be felt.'' In other words, hike up your pants and buy a boat. The flood waters are getting much higher.

No one knows whether the IMF or Soros is right. Comments from management at Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS) and Merrill Lynch (NYSE: MER) seem to indicate that they see things getting better in the second half of this year.

Even so, we should pay attention to Soros's more pessimistic prediction. Those forecasting worse times are not idiots and need to be, at the very least, listened to carefully.

Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com.

Google (NASDAQ: GOOG) this, Apple Inc (NASDAQ: AAPL) that, will Lehman Brothers Holdings (NYSE: LEH) follow Bear Stearns (NYSE: BSC) -- bleh, all hotly debated, all random market noise! Noise that you must learn to ignore.

The financial media -- envious of the fat profits generated by such entertainment-based businesses as World Wrestling Entertainment Inc (NYSE: WWE), Las Vegas Sands Corp. (NYSE: LVS) and Wynn Resorts (NASDAQ: WYNN) -- has brainwashed you into believing that in order to make money in the stock market, you must keep up to date with every single headline and development in the business world. Hogwash!

I have no problem with financial entertainment, but I do take issue with all these media outlets making their content out to be useful to investors. I've repeatedly echoed this theme in articles like this and I don't expect this industry to change anytime soon, but I am going to keep preaching so you will better understand how low your chances of success are if you bet on the most popular -- hence the most efficient -- topics du jour. Unless you are George Soros or Warren Buffett or a few other wealthy elderly men, there is always somebody better informed and more intelligent than you are. Hence, you are always at a disadvantage.

Billionaire investor George Soros said a major casualty from the U.S. subprime crisis will be the 60-year reign of the dollar-based credit boom, which he says will come to an end, Bloomberg News reported Wednesday.

"The current crisis is not only the bust that follows the housing boom, it's basically the end of a 60-year period of continuing credit expansion based on the dollar as the reserve currency,'' Soros said in a debate today at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Bloomberg reported. "Now the rest of the world is increasingly unwilling to accumulate dollars.''

However, Soros was careful to point out that he believes the dollar is still the most important reserve currency in the world and will remain so, according to Bloomberg.

I'm placing this blog post squarely at the feet of George Soros. The first reason I'm doing that is because I can. The second reason I'm doing it is because Mr. Soros will never read it. The third reason is because I have the ability to understand insurance actuary tables and I can read the writing on the wall.

Is anyone out there willing to take a guess at exactly why George Soros, Progressive Insurance (NYSE: PGR), and most of the rest of the auto insurance industry is so highly motivated to promote the green movement? Do you think it's because they want more trees available for the little birdies to sing in? Is it because someone said we're running a couple quarts low on oil? Could it be that they fear "green house gases" will soon choke us all? Nope, it's about none of those things. It all comes down to percentages, money, and control.